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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Comm min 1992/02/05 Tape: 331/330 Side: 2/1 MINUTES OF A REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF CHULA VISTA, CALIFORNIA 7:00 p.m. Council Chambers Wednesday, February 5, 1992 Public Services Building ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Chair Fuller, Commissioners Carson, Casillas, Decker, Martin, and Tugenberg COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: Commissioner Tuchscher (excused) STAFF PRESENT: Planning Director Leiter, Assistant Planning Director Lee, Principal Planner Howard, Environmental Review Coordinator Doug Reid, Associate Planner Barbara Reid, Contract Environmental Coordinator Miller, Contract Planner Gray, Senior Civil Engineer Ullrich, Assistant City Attorney Rudolf PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - SILENT PRAYER The pledge of allegiance to the flag was led by Chair Fuller and was followed by a moment of silent prayer. INTRODUCTORY REMARKS Chair Fuller reviewed the composition of the Planning Commission, its responsibilities and the format of the meeting. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - None ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None MSUC (Carson/Martin) 6-0 to excuse Commissioner Tuchscher because of a conflict of interest. PC Minutes -2- February 5, 1992 ITEM 1. PUBLIC HEARING: DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT EIR-90-02 RANCHO SAN MIGUEL Chair Fuller explained that members of the Resource Conservation Commission were present; the RCC normally has a workshop in advance of the Planning Commission meeting on any EIR where they hear the information about the project and then give their recommendation to the Planning Commission. They were asked to attend the Planning Commission meeting to participate in the hearing along with other members of the public. Chair Fuller then explained the procedure to be followed including questions by the Resource Conservation Commission before opening the public hearing. Associate Planner Barbara Reid made some brief statements regarding the process of the Environmental Impact Report. She noted this was a "program" EIR which enabled the agency to examine the overall affects of the proposed course of action and to take steps to avoid unnecessary adverse environmental effects, and would be used to simplify the task of preparing environmental documents on the later parts of the program, such as the SPA level. Staff recommended there be questions by the Planning Commission members and the Resource Conservation Commission members following staff presentation, and that the item be continued to February 12, so that additional comments could be received from the RCC (meeting February 10), the Clearinghouse, LAFCO, the Audubon Society, and Sweetwater Authority. Ms. Reid then introduced Katherine Hon of Ogden ERCE, the project manager for the EIR, and Barry Jones, the Sweetwater environmental biologist on the project. Ms. Hon described the project, discussed the environmental analysis in general, and highlighted the significant and unmitigable impacts from the project as proposed. Barry Jones then focused on the biodiversity of the site and its regional sensitivity. He noted that the project site had 14 sensitive plants and 20 sensitive animal species, which was an unusually high number, even for Southern San Diego County which tends to have a higher diversity of sensitive plant and animal resources. Additionally, the population of the sensitive resources found on the site were among the most significant within San Diego County. Mr. Jones then described the significant species found on the site. Chair Fuller asked if members of the Planning Commission or the Resource Conservation Commission had any questions of staff. Commissioner Casillas asked if of the 13 pair, 7 pair of Cactus Wren would be eliminated, what empirical evidence existed that this would be the case. It would appear that some of the other areas would be appropriate habitat. He was concerned about how the biologist arrived at the 54%. Mr. Jones answered that a common concept in ecology or conservation biology is the caring capacity of a given habitat, population, or region. He explained the theory of caring capacity and the area needed for each pair. Commissioner Casillas asked about the prospects of Tarweed disappearing to a level of near distinction, since there were large stands in other areas close to the project area. Mr. Jones PC Minutes -3- February 5, 1992 replied that one of the problems with an annual plant was that it varied from year to year in detectability. It is a State-listed endangered plant, and any impact to a State-listed endangered plant is generally considered significant. Commissioner Carson, regarding 3.1-15, third paragraph, felt there should be stronger language. Regarding 3.1-17, she commented that she was happy to see Parks and Recreation was opposing trails within the power transmission easement. Section 3.1-20, first paragraph, dealing with larger rural estate-type lots, Commissioner Carson asked if there was any research on consumer demand for large lots. Assistant Director of Planning answered that staff had no specific information relating to market demand for the larger lots. Commissioner Carson, referring to 3.1-23, second paragraph, questioned whether there should be a statement as to where the community shopping center was to be located, and the reason for locating it there. On 3.1-25, she would like to hear from the developer as to what their game plan might be. Regarding 3.2-14, she was happy to see the computer simulations in the EIR, but was not impressed with Figure 3.2-6. She asked that someone look at a different type of screening--needed to be screened more. Referring to 3.2-19, Commissioner Carson questioned how effectively the existing electrical substation would be screened. Regarding to 3.3-6, Commissioner Carson was concerned about large animal predators coming onto the property. Page 3.1-26, she said there had to be research being done regarding electromagnetic field which was available, and the issue needed to be addressed. She also asked for more information on the issue of noise impact to the animals staying in the area after development. Commissioner Martin questioned the normal range of the Gnatcatcher and the Cactus Wren, and why it wasn't assumed the birds would move to the areas not developed. Mr. Jones answered that the Gnatcatcher, based on research to date, generally rarely nest in slopes above 40% and often don't occur in extremely flat areas. They liked the best, developable area, with most of them occurring within the 10% to 30% range. Commissioner Martin asked how the plants regenerate. Mr. Jones answered that the cacti seeds are dispersed primarily through birds and mammals; some axe by air, or by mammals eating them, and plants actually migrate over a period of time. Finally, Commissioner Martin questioned the location of SR-125 and asked if anyone could make a commitment as to where the road would go. Associate Planner Reid answered that the alignment shown in the EIR was the one which was in the City's General Plan, and the decision was CalTrans'. Replying to Commissioner Tugenberg, Assistant Planning Director Lee stated the northern portion adjacent to Sweetwater Lake was shown as residential on the General Plan. Horseshoe Bend and Gobbler's Knob were not identified specifically on the General Plan, but the area was shown as residential. PC Minutes -4- February 5, 1992 Citing page 5-39, Commissioner Tugenberg was concerned about the reconciliation of statements of CEQA to the General Plan. He asked that staff give him cross references to the General Plan on the hillside ordinance, etc. Project Planner Gray noted that the reference in the Draft EIR to the General Plan referred specifically, in most cases, to the Land Use Element, so most of the policies used to measure the project's consistency with the General Plan were those policies in the Land Use Element which had to do with density, character of development, clustering, hillside development policies, and landform grading. Commissioner Carson asked that a transparency of Figure 3.1.1 be prepared showing a cumulative impact, so the density of this development and all bordering developments or those within a short distance would be shown. Commissioner Decker asked that in future EIRs cross references be included in the Summary of Impacts showing where the "impact" was covered in the major text. On page 1-12, Commissioner Decker queried whether there were other projects proposing to use the SDG&E property for a trail system. Assistant Director Lee answered that in the past the easement was believed to be a natural connecting point for trail systems. However, with the safety of those areas being questioned, other solutions are being studied. Commissioner Decker stated he had a problem declaring this a significant impact, since there would be limited time spent under the wires while using a trail system. Regarding page 1-13, Commissioner Decker also asked for information as to what part of the General Plan was referenced. Contract Planner Gray noted that Land Use Element Sections 4.1, 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, and 7.7 were generally the sections being used. Commissioner Decker asked for a summary. Citing page 1-15, Wetland Habitat, Commissioner Decker asked for a slide showing the 3.1 acres of wetland habitat which would be destroyed. Page 27 of Appendix B did not seem to be consistent with the comments on page 3.3-31. Commissioner Casillas felt that the concern regarding using the SDG&E easement for open space trails simply because there was a possibility of some unknown danger with EMF was misplaced. Chair Fuller noted that page 3-16.5, last sentence, was incomplete. Commissioner Tugenberg, page 3.10-11, asked if "only" should be struck. Staff concurred. Resource Conservation Commissioner John Krache, referring to page 3.11-7, questioned the figures regarding efficiency of hot water heaters and furnaces--instead of a 4t' vent, using a PVC vent of 2". PC Minutes -5- February 5, 1992 Commissioner Krache, regarding page 3.12-6, questioned the 65 db; he thought it was 55 db. Environmental Review Coordinator Reid explained that the standard under the noise ordinance specifically excluded transportation sources regulated by the State, and that each measurement was site specific. A short discussion followed regarding several measurements in the report. Regarding public service and water, 3.15-6, Commissioner Krache was concerned about including water. Commissioner Krache commented that the home is more dangerous than the overhead wires. He questioned the unacceptability by Parks & Recreation of the easement for trails. Associate Planner Reid noted someone from Parks & Recreation would attend the next meeting. This being the time and the place as advertised, the public hearing was opened. David Nairne, 4250 La Jolla Village Drive, Suite 950, San Diego, speaking on behalf of San Miguel Partners, commented that the name of the project had been changed to San Miguel Ranch. He then introduced the speakers for a prepared presentation. Mitch Beecham, owner of Pacific Southwest Biological Services, Inc., biological consultants to the project proponents, stated he had been involved with the design of the proposed project and alternative designs for several years. He said the biological issues relevant to the project had been reported with varying degrees of accuracy in the EIR. Referring to a letter in the Commission packet, he presented what he felt were the principal issues as follows: the massive natural open space proposed as part of the General Development Plan was not given full consideration by the EIR consultant; the future role of the eastern portion of this area for future California Gnatcatcher habitat was given no consideration; and the EIR didn't give credit for the potential for this Gnateatcher habitat. He pointed out that the densities of Gnatcatchers there were extremely high. The open space easement proposed for estate lots on the northern portion of the project assumed that the entire acre lot was going to be disturbed by development. It was his recommendation to restrict development to the ridge line and to a development envelope, leaving the rest of the property undisturbed. He stated that the assessment of wetland impacts was distorted by inaccurate assumptions of proposed land uses. Mr. Beecham said the overall impact assessment of loss of biodiversity was also inaccurate. The affected resources may be reduced in extent but none were lost by the proposed project. He was concerned about the major dense population of Coastal Barrel Cactus in the area. From a botanical point of view, this was an exemplary stand and the project had been redesigned to avoid the area. He disagreed there were only 69 pair of Gnatcatchers. Commissioner Decker asked if the barrel cactus could be relocated. Mr. Beecham answered that the plant could be relocated quite easily. PC Minutes -6- February 5, 1992 Commissioner Decker asked if anyone had looked into mitigation by relocating it on site. Mr. Beecham answered affirmatively. Commissioner Decker questioned the disturbance of the birds during construction, whether they relocate to another site, or temporarily relocate. Mr. Beecham answered that it depended on the time of year, and whether they were on a nest with eggs or young and they fly away. The eggs or the young could be lost through purgation or the sun. Commissioner Decker assumed that during the breeding period or during the hatching period, construction would not be allowed. Mr. Beecham replied that was not unreasonable. In other periods of time, the habitat is disturbed. The issue was preserving habitat, not individual birds. There is a caring capacity. Commissioner Martin asked about controlling the development of an acre of land. Mr. Beecham answered that there was a CC&R restriction or an open space easement and upon purchasing the property, there would be full disclosure regarding the use of the area. In answer to Commissioner Martin's query, Mr. Beecham discussed the envelope of disturbance they envisioned and the initial primary effects. Gary Wood, P&D Technologies, 401 West A Street, San Diego stated he had been on the design team which created the General Plan. He spoke on the insignificance of Horseshoe Bend and Gobbler's Knob and the function of the General Plan. Mr. Wood said it was a conscious decision not to include those as significant features. Mother Miguel Mountain should be included in open space as well as some additional areas which were shown as open space on the General Plan. The areas known as Gobbler's Knob and Horseshoe Bend were very specifically and consciously determined to be areas for residential development focusing the development in those areas to save the more important specifically named significant features. Mr. Wood, referring to page 3.2-12, stated that the EIR concluded that Horseshoe Bend and Gobbler's Knob are a part of the southwest foothills, and therefore site planning must meet specific hillside standards. Mr. Wood was also concerned with the issue of development areas of the General Plan. The more detailed determination of the urban development area, transportation corridors, and open space would be part of the planning review process on specific development proposals. Commissioner Tugenberg commented that when the refinements are being made, it comes down to the staffs point of view on Horseshoe Bend and Gobbler's Knob. It is a matter of the PC Minutes -7- February 5, 1992 applicant's point of view towards that particular piece and the staff's attitude toward that particular property. Mr. Wood answered that he was referring to the General Plan's attitude. And the General Plan very specifically and consciously designated that area would be subject to development, as many other areas. Commissioner Tugenberg stated that the General Plan specifically pointed out that sometime in the future this would be refined. Mr. Wood answered affirmatively. Chair Fuller asked when Mr. Wood was speaking specifically about the significant landform, her understanding was that those named at the time the General Plan was written and accepted were the only ones that were significant landforms. Mr. Wood answered that the General Plan process was thorough in the sense that the significant term was "prominent." They listed six prominent landforms--significant landforms--that they felt were the significant prominent landforms that defined the important open space areas in the Eastern Territories area plan. Chair Fuller asked if those were the only prominent significant landforms in the Eastern Territories the City of Chula Vista needs to be concerned with7 Mr. Wood stated that in this particular area, there was considerable analysis of the significant landforms and Mother Miguel Mountain clearly emerged as number one. There were secondary landforms that were also kept as open space. The ridge between Salt Creek and this project were shown as open space, and then Gobbler's Knob. Horseshoe Bend was considered clearly a tertiary landform, visually blending into the lower area and would he the appropriate area for development, saving the primary or dominant landform of Mother Miguel Mountain and the secondary landforms to form the major skyline view. Commissioner Tugenberg asked if the State required the General Plan to be redone at given periods. Mr. Wood answered negatively; however, he believed it could only be redone at a certain frequency. Commissioner Tugenberg stated that Mother Miguel was a prominent feature, but they could be smaller than Mother Miguel and still be a worthwhile feature to retain. Mr. Wood concurred. Commissioner Decker asked if when the General Plan was done, it was the intent of the writers to specifically list those landforms that were not to be significant. Mr. Wood said it was the intent of the General Plan to list the significant landforms both in terms of naming them in a list in the eastern territories area plan specifically, and showing them as open space on the map. PC Minutes -8- February 5, 1992 Assistant Planning Director Lee stated that areas identified in that plan for residential development did not necessarily identify every prominent hillside or landform that we may want to preserve or review when we get into a more detailed plan. It now had been identified as an issue and one to be considered carefully in the planning of the property. David Nairne, representing the applicant, stated the inconsistencies with the General Plan could be resolved through interpretation. In other cases, however, there had been a misapplication of the General Plan by staff. He discussed the issues of Horseshoe Bend and Gobbler's Knob and their significance as landforms. He believed the critical factors in determining the significant landforms had been the dominance of those landforms through the visual awareness throughout the community. He noted that both were lost in the foreground of Mother Miguel which dominated the skyline horizon. Mr. Nairne said the General Plan included a definition called Prominent Features, which was contained within the General Plan at Section 5.6 of the Eastern Territories Plan which listed landforms and shapes that should be preserved. Horseshoe Bend and Gobbler's Knob were not within this specific list. Mr. Nairne said that it was a specific determination at the time the General Plan was adopted that these were not strong visual features to the horizon and the major mass form in the Chula Vista area in this region, and they were not included. Regarding the southwest foothills of Mother Miguel, Mr. Nairne said he was part of the process which gave them the entitlement to continue the planning process in the north portion of the property. The four property owners who had property between the applicant's site and SDG&E were concerned that their property was shown as open space and they would have no development opportunity without having a chance to have a public forum. Those were the areas specifically included within the southwest foothills definition. Other issues discussed by Mr. Nairne were landform alteration and grading, grading techniques, development consistency in the open space boundary, clustering, open space, compatibility with surrounding uses, and density. He also discussed the number of lots in the project, lot sizes, architecture, landscaping, and the natural rural look. Mr. Nairne noted the necessity to design around the SDG&E facility which will orient the lots in their development away from the SDG&E facility. He noted that Parks did not want trails through the SDG&E easement and said the General Plan provided for the trails to go through the specific easements located on their property. Regarding the commercial center, Mr. Nairne believed the size of the center should be 14 acres. He asked for a complete line-by-line review of their project as it related to the General Plan. Commissioner Tugenberg asked for a response at the next meeting by using the General Plan to correlate staff's position. PC Minutes -9- February 5, 1992 Regarding density, Commissioner Casillas asked if the applicant's plan was only 8 above the mid point allowed as opposed to the DEIR showing 43. Mr. Nairne answered that the EIR stated that they were 42 units over; however, if the test of 2 units to the acre was applied to other sections of the EIR which quoted areas which were suitable for development, the numerical calculation would come to only 8 units over mid point. Based upon their calculation, they felt they were slightly under mid point-l.9 units to the acre which would make their project 18 units under. Assistant Planning Director Lee, regarding Member Tugenberg's question about responding to General Plan issues, stated that staff would respond in the Response to Comments rather than having specific answers to the questions by the next week. If the document is complete at that point, the public hearing would be closed. The response to comments would be included in the final document and the Commission would make the determination as to whether those issues are significant or not significant. Dick Kau, 3404 Bonita Road, was concerned about all the requirements, and that ultimately development would be restricted to such a degree that future generations would not be able to afford a house. He said land for gnatcatchers is being provided at the rate of about 23 acres per pair. At the present rate, it's $10,000 an acre for a bird habitat, and a biologist is required to prove those birds are there. He urged that the Commission approve the applicant's plan. Peter Warty, 81 Second Avenue, questioned the EIR regarding the percentage of water to be used and traffic. He asked that the EIR show the percentage of water in relationship to Sweetwater's available water, and traffic percentage compared to 10 years ago. Georjean Jensen, 3655 Proctor Valley Road, said that in many cases the developer had included their property in the development. She stated that they were not part of the development, and did not want to be a part of the development. The error had been pointed out to the developer. There were also errors in the map. Ms. Jensen said the rural atmosphere of the adjacent property to the west and north of Neighborhood B was not compatible with the commercial area and high density housing. There was no mitigation mentioned in the EIR concerning the San Diego County Water Authority pipeline for extension phase 2. This pipeline parallels Proctor Valley Road. The proposed main ingress and egress road, San Miguel Ranch Road, passed over their home and business at 3655 Proctor Valley Road. There was no mention of grazing land which encompassed the entire area. They disagreed on the traffic analysis. The project depended on SR-125 to handle the traffic, and the SR-125 route had not been determined. The entire project should not be allowed to proceed until SR-125 was in place and operational. The 14-acre commercial zone was not compatible with their existing business which is considered an agricultural zone. Donald Jensen, 3655 Proctor Valley Road, noted that Commissioner Carson had discussed the issues he was going to bring up. PC Minutes -10- February 5, 1992 Nancy Gilbert, a wildlife biologist representing Fish & Wildlife Service, 24000 Avila Road, Laguna Niguel, stated that the proposed project would have significant unmitigated adverse impacts to biological resources, including California Gnateatehers, Cactus Wrens, sensitive plants, sensitive animal species, sensitive birds of which 13 are raptors including a historic Golden Eagle nest. Given the significant unmitigable impacts, the approval of the proposed project would necessitate the need for the Fish & Wildlife Service to assess the need for emergency listing of the Gnatcatcher, the Cactus Wren, and the Otay Tarplant. The Fish & Wildlife Service strongly recommended that the project not be approved, or that the biologically sensitive alternative be chosen. Jack Choppin, 5936 San Miguel Road, addressed the social impact of the EIR stressing population and traffic, and the impact of freeways going through the property. He emphasized that people count, also--not just birds and plants. Eugene Sproferr distributed an article regarding electromagnetic fields. He felt the issue was not addressed sufficiently in the EIR. He noted for the record that he had given the Commissioners a letter regarding the inefficiency. He said that close proximity of housing to electric substations does not create the most desirable neighborhood setting, and recommended that the residential area not be located next to the power stations or under the lines as the prints showed. He asked that the papers regarding electromagnetic fields which he had submitted be included in the EIR. He objected to Chula Vista being named the lead agency on the project. He said the land was in the County's area, had been planned by the Sweetwater Planning Group; they had a water shed protection act in the San Diego County which the developer would have to adhere to. Mr. Sproferr spoke of the possibility of unavailability of water by Sweetwater; the overloading of the sewer system and spill-over into the Sweetwater Reservoir, the source of drinking water. He stated he would challenge the project before LAFCO. Toni Ingrassia, 4463 Acacia Avenue, Bonita, represented the Sweetwater Community Planning Group. The Planning Group submitted their concerns in writing for response in the Final EIR. Gretchen Burkey, P. O. Box 321, Bonita, had concerns regarding traffic and water, and the assumption that SR-125 would be built. E. J. Burley, 6500 San Miguel Road, enjoyed the beauty of Gobbler's Knob, Horseshoe Bend, and Mother Miguel. He addressed the archaeological artifacts, run-off water, flooding, traffic, and the need for and possible sites for at least two holding ponds. Cris Johnson, 5626 Watercrest Drive, Bonita, said he didn't see how the project could be planned before the route for SR-125 was adopted, where the open space would be, the impact to City streets if 125 was a toll road, the traffic and environmental noise levels, water, parks, etc. He was also concerned that there were no baseball fields for Little League practice. Mr. Johnson questioned annexation to Chula Vista and his understanding that it would be annexed automatically without a vote of the people. PC Minutes -11- February 5, 1992 At the request of Chair Fuller, Assistant Planning Director Lee replied that the question of annexation would have to go through LAFCO. It would be the applicant's responsibility to proceed through LAFCO after the EIR had been completed. Muriel Watson said there was nothing specific dealing with the trail system as it exists today and what the project developers were projecting. She said that trail riders were not looking for staging areas, but links which go around the project or going through the area. The actual facility of trails had not been properly addressed in the EIR, and everything had been pushed over to the SPA level. They would like to have a more specific way of how to utilize the historical trails without traveling under the wires. The horses respond to sharp sounds and the hum of the wires. She said that riding under the easements of the electrical wires would be unacceptable for a safe trail ride. Ms. Watson believed the project was incompatible to the area. Robert Thompson, 6503 San Miguel Road, noted that the County had a general plan for that area, and that was the plan the project should be under. He was concerned that the development went along the shoreline and separated the shoreline from the rest of the open space isolating the water's edge from all animals and birds. He also noted that Sweetwater Authority had a recreation plan which specifically covered everything within the boundaries that belong to Sweetwater Authority, the adjacent property to the north. The Sweetwater master plan proposed non-use of the thatch on the east end of the reservoir. The EIR for this project included installing catch basins, underground piping, and trenching. He was concerned also about the water coming out of the project and flooding downstream; and roads dead-ending against public property. Mr. Thompson assumed that the City of Chula Vista at some point would condemn the land to continue the road on out. Don Rose, representing SDG&E, 101 Ash Street, San Diego, said that when Miguel substation was first built, they had to get our land use entitlements from the County and had to comply with their general plan. He spoke of suggestions made to provide additional buffer and reduce the visual impact. Mr. Rose said SDG&E did not feel there had been a comprehensive visual impact analysis performed, and after the final form of the project, if approved, is agreed upon, it could be reviewed and decided what the appropriate mitigation and screening measures might need be. He didn't feel that SDG&E should provide property for the mitigation. However, if the best most effective mitigation may necessitate some use of SDG&E property, they would entertain that concept; however that was not a commitment to provide property for mitigation. SDG&E plans to expand that substation as the area grows. He noted that one of the mitigations proposed was that buyers of the houses would sign a paper acknowledging they were aware of SDG&E's plans to expand. However, he felt that would be satisfactory only to the first-time buyer and that further enforcement would be doubtful. He believed proper mitigation should be required at the development stage and not depend on what happens down the road. He urged the Commission to look at proper land use design and do what they could to minimize the impact of the undesirable adjacent uses. Patrieia Itolland-Roark, 3645 Proctor Valley Road, whose family had been residents of the Sweetwater Valley for almost 100 years, said the main entry way to the development went PC Minutes -12- February 5, 1992 through her home or immediately adjacent. She stated the Draft Environmental Impact Report did not address social issues, environmental issues, or the economic harm to the community. She stated the road ended at her property and Jensen's kennels and seriously impacted them. She was concerned about the installation of San Miguel Ranch Road, the environmental harm to adjacent off-site properties, air quality during construction, mitigation and the plans for residents during construction, no adequate buffer between the 110 foot wide roadway and the adjacent properties, and the planned circulatory system for the San Miguel Ranch Road would require condemnation of privately owned properties for the benefit of the developer. She believed it was an incompatible use. Regarding future resales on homes, they would need full disclosure. It would seriously impact resales in the area; it would seriously cause liabilities for any realtor or real estate salesperson who neglected to disclose all of the ramifications of the proximity to the substation. Michael T. Roark, 3645 Proctor Valley Road, discussed SR-125 not being aligned. He stated it was premature to discuss the project until that alignment is set. He said there were many ranchers and businesses that were compatible with the use and none of these issues had been mentioned in the EIR. None of these off-site considerations had been stressed by the EIR. None of the compatibility or mitigation issues had been addressed by the EIR. He discussed traffic issues and the inability to provide adequate funding required for proper roads through the existing community. Sherl Todus, 6001 Bonita Meadows Lane, Bonita, said she was another person who was being "de-mapped" by this EIR. She was concerned that the freeway and a bypass road took her property. If her property were left intact, it would be flooded, because both of the proposed drainage systems converge there. She was also concerned about the Sweetwater Reservoir and the need to develop a protection plan for the reservoir for the water resource and that building along the rim would not pollute the reservoir. Another concern was sewerage and the possible overflow from the pump stations. She suggested utilization of a gravity flow system. She said she was personally offended at being de-mapped. No one else wishing to speak, Chair Fuller continued the public hearing until February 12, 1992. ITEM 2: PRESENTATION: CITY PARTICIPATION IN REGIONAL PROGRAMS TO PRESERVE NATURAL HABITAT AREAS Principal Planner Howard presented the report, focusing on bird and plant species found in this area and the regional programs to try to preserve large, contiguous and diverse natural preserves which are interconnected to ensure that natural preserve areas are not disconnected and become cut off with the rest of the natural wildlife areas. He noted that two programs were of particular interest to Chula Vista--the Clean Water Program Multiple Species Conservation Program and the South County Natural Communities Conservation Program. He proceeded to describe the two programs and the mitigation required by those programs. A South County Natural Communities Conservation Program through the State program is also being considered by the PC Minutes -13- February 5, 1992 City of Chula Vista, the County, and interested property owners. The working group for this program is waiting for guidelines and guidance from the State. When those guidelines are received and in place, the working group intends to propose that the City of Chula Vista enroll in the Natural Communities Conservation Program with the County and work on a comprehensive natural preserve plan for the South Bay area. Mr. Howard then focused on the effect on ongoing projects and noted that staff wanted to make the Commissioners aware of the overall regional picture, so they could keep this in mind when considering the individual projects. Commissioner Tugenberg asked when a final decision would be made, and when the rules would be laid down. Principal Planner Howard answered that the State was working on that and the actual original deadline to enroll was February but had slipped. Planning Director Leiter stated that hopefully by the end of February, the guidelines for enrollment would be received. However, field work was already being done as part of the NCCP. To formally enroll in the program, it would probably be March or April. Answering Commissioner Tugenberg, Planning Director Leiter said it was optional, but strongly recommended to enroll. The State strongly encouraged cities, counties, and in some cases property owners to use this vehicle to deal with this issue. Chair Fuller inquired about Nancy Gilbert's (U.S. Fish & Wildlife) comment that if the Rancho San Miguel project were to go through, it would threaten the State's Community Conservation Program. Planning Director Leiter believed she was expressing a concern that based on the plan that was evaluated in the EIR which showed the development of certain Coastal Sage Scrub properties, it was her opinion that that type of an action by a local government would potentially jeopardize the program by causing development of property that she felt was very significant as part of an overall regional NCCP. Chair Fuller asked if the State Act would preclude the City of Chula Vista from approving development in areas such as this. Mr. Le'lter answered that it would not directly at this time, but if the City were to adopt an NCCP and the State approved it, we would be agreeing to preserve specific properties. He believed Ms. Gilbert's point was that she felt some of the properties being considered for development were strong candidates for preservation under an NCCP. Commissioner Decker questioned the inclusion of Camp Pendleton in the NCCP study area because of its stand of Coastal Sage Scrub. Planning Director Le'lter answered affirmatively, and stated that in Orange, Riverside, and San Diego Counties, all of the Coastal Sage Scrub would be covered by an NCCP. Commissioner Casillas asked to what extent the implementation of this program would influence the decision of the Federal Government in September in considering the Gnateateher for PC Minutes -14- February 5, 1997 placement on the endangered species list. Mr. Leiter answered that it is speculated that the NCCP programs may affect the decision at the Federal level. DIRECTOR'S REPORT Assistant Planning Director Lee reminded the Commissioners of a field trip to the Kaiser facilities in Riverside on February 8, 1992. He stated there was a possibility of a tour of Salt Creek Ranch on February 19. Mr. Lee pointed out that the Commissioners had been given information regarding funds available in their budget for seminars, and asked that they give thought as to whether they wished to send more than one Commissioner to the session in April. Chair Fuller asked that it be part of the Director's report at the next meeting. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS Commissioner Martin asked for a workshop on projects where there might be the need for explanations on differences of opinion or terms being used. Commissioner Tugenberg asked if when there was an EIR before the Commission, unless they decide there were deficiencies, all the Commission is voting on is whether it was prepared in compliance with CEQA. Assistant Planning Director Lee concurred that it was whether the Commission was satisfied with the document--whether it was complete and accurate. Discussion ensued as to what should be included in the EIR and what should be considered. Commissioner Carson questioned the wording of the policy statement regarding no building until the completion of SR-125. Planning Director Leiter answered that the Transportation Phasing Plan required that after a certain amount of units were built, the level of service standards would possibly be exceeded. The phasing of this development would need to fit into that overall phasing plan, and staff was in the process of preparing a financing plan for SR-125 which would look at the phasing of existing approved projects, the proposed projects, and the timing of when they realistically thought the first phase of SR-125 could be built to see how the projects might be phased. Mr. Leiter believed the first phase was four lanes--two lanes in each direction. ADJOURNMENT at 11:30 p.m. to the Joint Field Trip to Kaiser Facilities on February 8, 1992 at 8:00 a.m. which will adjourn to the Regularly Scheduled Meeting of February 12, 1992. ~aficy Ripi~y, Secretary d Planning Commission