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MINUTES OF A REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING
OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF
CHULA VISTA, CALIFORNIA
7:00 p.m. Council Chambers
Wednesday, February 12, 1992 Public Services Building
ROLL CALL
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Chair Fuller, Commissioners Carson, Casillas,
Decker, Martin, Tuchscher, and Tugenberg
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Planning Director Leiter, Senior Planner Griffin,
Environmental Review Coordinator Reid, Associate
Planner Hernandez, Assistant Planner Wolfe,
Contract Planner Gray, Senior Civil Engineer
Ullrich, Associate Civil Engineer Ouadah, Assistant
City Attorney Rudolf
PLEDOE OF ALLEGIANCE - SILENT PRAYER
The pledge of allegiance to the flag was led by Chair Fuller and was followed by a moment of
silent prayer.
INTRODUCTORY REMARKS
Chair Fuller reviewed the composition of the Planning Commission, its responsibilities and the
format of the meeting.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - None
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None
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ITEM 1: PUBLIC HEARING: DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT
EIR-91-03, SALT CREEK RANCH SPA (continued from 1-22-92)
Environmental Review Coordinator Reid stated this item had been continued to provide an
opportunity for State agencies through the State Clearinghouse to provide input. No input was
received, and Mr. Reid recommended that the public hearing be closed.
Chair Fuller declared the public hearing of DEIR-91-03 closed.
ITEM 2: PUBLIC HEARING: DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT
EIR-90-02, RANCHO SAN MIGUEL (continued from 2-5-92)
Environmental Review Coordinator Reid stated this item had also been continued to provide
input from the State agencies, LAFCO, Otay Water District, Sweetwater Authority, Audubon
Society, and the Resource Conservation Commission. Comments had been received, and had
been distributed to the Commission, from CalTrans (from the State Clearinghouse), LAFCO,
Otay Water District, and the Resource Conservation Commission. He recommended the public
hearing be closed after hearing from speakers representing the Resource Conservation
Commission and Audubon Society.
Chair Fuller opened the continuation of the public hearing on DEIR-90-02.
Michael Johnson, 1210 Bridgeport, Chula Vista, representing the Resource Conservation
Commission, gave a brief report on the deliberations by the Commission regarding this project.
At their last meeting, the Commission had recommended to the Planning Commission that a
"no" vote be given to the project. Their concerns were as follows: EIR revealed too many
unmitigable impacts with the project as proposed; proposed plan did not conform to the General
Plan; the project would cause the destruction of an important ecosystem and the wildlife. They
urged not to approve.
Norma Sullivan, 5858 Scripps St., SD 92122, stated she was Conservation Chair of the San
Diego Chapter of the National Audubon Society and a member of the Endangered Habitat
League and County Fish & Wildlife Commission. She felt this project did not fit into Governor
Wilson's goal for overall planning for protection of entire biodiversity and ecosystems, or the
County Wildlife and Open Space Program. The Audubon Society was concerned that it
exceeded the General Plan; the grading exceeded planning limits; non-compliance with the
General Plan or the Sweetwater Community Plan; loss of 3.1 acres of wetland with no clear
mitigation; disruption of rich diversity of the site; condemn to extinction 40 of 69 pairs of
Gnatcatchers; the loss of 467 acres of Diegan Coastal Sage Scrub; plus four plant species wiped
out and not mitigable; the cumulative effect of air quality; impacts to Sweetwater Reservoir.
Ms. Sullivan urged that the EIR not be certified nor the project approved.
Linda Michael, 827 Gage Drive, SD 92106, representing the Sierra Club, said they had the
same concerns as voiced by Ms. Sullivan. Additionally, the Draft Environmental Impact Report
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should evaluate the maintenance preservation of wildlife corridors for large mammals to greater
extent; it inadequately evaluated the comprehensive design of an open space system; did not
address cumulative impacts; did not cooperate with the NCCP Program and the County's open
space habitat conservation planning. She recommended denial of the project.
Planning Director Leiter commented that at the last meeting the Commission had requested
additional information regarding the General Plan consistency issues which had been raised at
the public hearing. Staff had provided the Commission an outline of references in the General
Plan to the major issues discussed in the EIR. Additionally, he said a final analysis of the
General Plan consistency issues is normally a part of the staff report; however, the Commission
had suggested a workshop or other type of discussion on those issues. It had been discussed
with the applicant, but Mr. Leiter asked that the Commission wait until staff had reviewed all
the comments which had been received on the Draft EIR and they had been evaluated with both
City consultants and the applicant. He suggested that the appropriate timing for that review be
brought back and discussed at the next Commission meeting.
No one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed on Draft EIR-90-02.
ITEM 3: PUBLIC HEARING: PCM-92-05: CONSIDERATION OF REVISIONS TO
THE RANCHO DEL REY EMPLOYMENT PARK DESIGN GUIDELINES -
McMillin Communities
Associate Planner Hernandez presented the project. The proposal had been presented to the
Design Review Committee on January 20, 1992, who endorsed the proposal as presented but
with the recommendation that additional graphics be incorporated into the amendment to clarify
some of the language in the guidelines. Mr. Hernandez noted that the project was exempt from
the environmental review process as Class 1lA, and staff's recommendation was to adopt a
motion recommending approval of the proposed amendment as requested by the applicant.
Commissioner Martin, referring to page 1--Detached Signs, asked the genesis of meeting more
than 50 sq. ft. per sign. Mr. Hernandez answered that buildings in E1 Rancho del Rey were
significantly larger than older buildings seen in commercial zones, and the combination of lots
would possibly create more than one tenant with the potential of being accommodated in one
freestanding sign. There was no specific limit as to the maximum, but the Design Guidelines
were being followed to create appropriate monumentation which resembled the building
architecture.
Commissioner Casillas asked if there were any guidelines which addressed how large the border
around the sign could be. Senior Planner Griffin responded that the entire sign area included
the border in the square footage calculation.
Commissioner Decker was concerned about signage facing "H" Street, and if it would be
considered on an individual basis. Mr. Hernandez stated that in this particular instance, it would
be allowed by right and subject to design review.
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This being the time and the place as advertised, the public hearing was opened.
Craig Fukuyanm, representing the applicant, supported staff's recommendation for approval
of the request. He gave some background as to the signs facing ~:a~t "H" Street and the
language included to provide for sign visibility to East "H" Street. East HH~ Street is a scenic
highway corridor and much of the landscaping occurring on the slope along East "H" Street,
when matured, would block much of the view. Also, the Design Review Committee was very
careful and was looking at very strict landscape screening that would eventually screen much of
the mass seen along East "H" Street. The intent was to provide minimal opportunity for some
visibility; however, the Design Review Committee felt there should be some flexibility, so the
Design Guidelines as proposed provided that these exceptions are allowable under given
circumstances which the Design Review Committee found appropriate.
Commissioner Tugenberg commented that I-L zone allowed for administrative, executive, and
financial offices. He suggested the applicant might consider residence inns within the industrial
park.
Commissioner Tuchscher asked if the tenants who were expressing interest were higher-end
tenants by comparison as to what would be found in other industrial areas in Chula Vista. Mr.
Fukuyama said there was not a market for the office user; but they were finding users that were
more owner occupied, less speculative building. Many were businesses already in Chula Vista
who had outgrown their facilities.
Answering Commissioner Tuchscber's query, Mr. Fukuyama said exposure to East "H" Street
was critical to some of the users, and in some cases could be a deal breaker.
No one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed.
MS (Fuller/Tugenberg) to reconunend approval of the proposed Rancho del Rey Sign
Design Guideline Amendment as requested by the applicant.
AMENDMENT TO MOTION:
Commissioner Decker moved that the following amendments be made to the Guideline:
1. Part 2, page 2, third bullet, fifth line: "More than one sign per building side may
be approved by the Design Review Committee with concurrence of the Planning
Commission."
2. Part 2, page 2, fourth bullet, seventh line: "That the Design Review Committee,
with concurrence of the Planning Commission, may approve a sign ..."
The motion died for a lack of second.
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VOTE ON ORIGINAL MOTION: 6-1 (Commissioner Decker voted against)
ITEM 4: PUBLIC HEARING: DRC-91-66: APPEAL OF DESIGN REVIEW
COMMITTEE'S DECISION TO REDUCE THE OVERALL PLAY
STRUCTURE MASS AND REQUIRE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING
IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN AN ARCHITECTURAL ENHANCEMENT OF
THE PROPOSED ADDITION AREA - Carl Karcher Enterprises, Inc.
Assistant Planner Wolfe gave the project background noting the Design Review Committee's
conditions of approval, and the applicant's requested revisions to those conditions. Ms. Wolfe
stated that staff found the Design Review Committee's conditions of project approval necessary
in order to adequately mitigate visual impacts of the proposed project onto the adjacent
restaurant and ensure proper architectural coordination between the outdoor dining area and the
existing buildings on-site. Staff, therefore, recommended that the appeal be denied, and that the
Commission adopt a motion to approve the project subject to the previously imposed DRC
conditions of approval.
Chair Fuller asked if the planter area should be larger than shown on the slide. Ms. Wolfe
answered that the City Architect had concluded that those areas were not wide enough to
accommodate substantial growth that would provide screening of the play structure and a buffer
for the dining area.
In answer to Chair Fuller, Ms. Wolfe said the recommended height of the play area was a one-
story level, and it was a similar height to the McDonald's structure.
Commissioner Decker asked that in the future the Commission be given a percentage of
reduction. He would like to see the ratio as compared to the volume of the building--the
relationship of the volume of the out building to the actual structure to which it was being
compared.
Commissioner Casillas felt it would have been useful to see sketches of what the Design Review
Committee was suggesting. He asked the height of the shrubbery recommended around the
perimeter. Ms. Wolfe said the Design Review Committee had not recommended the height of
the landscaping material; that would be determined by the City Landscape Architect. The intent
was to provide adequate area to allow growth of shrubs that could potentially reach the top of
the fence. The applicant was proposing ground cover which would provide minimal or no
screening.
Commissioner Casillas asked if the buffer was only a chainlink fence. Ms. Wolfe answered that
the final landscaping plans were subject to review by the Landscape Architect at the building
permit stage.
Commissioner Casillas commented that the McDonald's on "E" near the freeway had no buffer.
He asked if this applicant should be told that in a certain number of years they would be
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expected to have a certain growth. Associate Planner Hernandez commented that the area
required by the Landscape Architect did not necessarily dictate the height of the shrubs, hut the
visibility of growing plants within that area. The net planting area would be reduced by the
encroachment of the improvements on the lot--the 6" curb area and footings holding the fencing
proposed.
Chair Fuller noted it was not intended as a screen, just a planter area. She verified that in the
Summary Staff Report, the conditions being recommended were a, b, c, d, f, and g. Ms. Wolfe
concurred.
Commissioner Tugenberg said he was inclined to accept the Design Review Committee's
recommendation.
Chair Fuller stated she felt this was one of the nicest looking fast-food restaurants as it currently
stood, because of the design of the window-seating area which faced Broadway. She took
exception to the Design Review Committee's recommendation; if the intent was not to require
landscaping and not screen the children and the play area, then it would require more wall for
decorative fencing.
Commissioner Carson felt the Design Review Committee's report clearly stated the landscaping
was proposed to enhance the proposed perimeter area and screen the play structure. Mr.
Hernandez explained that to screen did not necessarily mean blocking completely the structure,
but providing some sort of a foreground that would soften the view.
Commissioner Tuchscher asked if this was the same equipment that was used in other restaurant
play areas. Ms. Wolfe said the components were manufactured by the same company, but it
was not the same model.
This being the time and the place as advertised, the public hearing was opened.
Lorenzo Reyes, P. O. Box 4999, Anaheim 92803, representing Carl Karcher Enterprises, felt
the direction from the Design Review Committee was inadequate and did not take into
consideration the specifics of the site. Rather than try to bide the playground, they needed to
locate it in front of the restaurant to attract customers to the unit. Taking into consideration the
French window design in front, the playground was relocated to the side. Access to the
playground was only through the building. They had incorporated the design of the playground
to enhance the elevation on the blank side of the building. The applicant, in the appeal, was
asking for a second level which included a minor pitch on the roof. He discussed the
landscaping area, and also noted the Design Review Committee was asking for interior
landscaping which would limit the play area. The project was offset in the corner for
southbound traffic and would not be seen. He felt the playground offered relief to the asphalted
area, and asked for the Commission's favorable consideration. He felt it was redundant to
install a hedge to soften or screen an area and then build a wall behind it. Mr. Reyes was
concerned with interior landscaping because of possible wet tiles from watering and a possible
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safety hazard. Summarizing, he asked that they be allowed to uso the yellow and red
playground with the two-story design, elimination of the interior planting, low wall, and
landscaping as submitted.
No one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed.
Answering Commissioner Casillas' query, Mr. Reyes answered that the height differential
between a one story and the two story being proposed was 4-1/2 feet.
Commissioner Martin asked the rationale regarding the interior landscaping. Ms. Wolfe
answered that it was not only a play area but also an outdoor eating area which staff was trying
to make as pleasing as possible, referencing a Carl's Jr. in San Diego.
Commissioner Casillas questioned the need for an economic analysis.
Commissioner Carson was concerned about children falling into the landscaped area while
playing; also the lack of supervision and the possibility of liability being imposed on Carl's Jr.
Chair Fuller was concerned about a business that was trying to do something for the economic
advantage and betterment of the business, complying by redesign. She felt the Design Review
Committee had gone a little too far on this project. The recommendation of staff was to deny
the appeal, and if denied to approve the play structure eating area design subject to the
conditions imposed by the Design Review Committee.
MS (Tugenberg/Martin) approve the applicant's appeal to the Design Review Cornmlttee.
Chair Fuller clarified that the motion was to approve and a yes vote on this motion would be
in opposition to the staff's recommendation.
Commissioner Tuchscber commented that he was impressed with the building and with the
structure on the side of the building where a blank wall existed. Under normal circumstances,
he would not be in favor of the motion; but all things taken into consideration, by having the
play area in back, the higher visibility by the larger structure was probably appropriate.
Commissioner Martin was concerned about a child getting hurt and nobody seeing him/her.
Commissioner Tugenberg, referring to another fast-food restaurant's play facility, said he had
never seen children there without the accompaniment of parents.
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RESTATEMENT OF MOTION:
To grant the appeal from the action of the Design Review Committee and overturn the
conditions imposed, and instead have the conditions stated by the applicant.
VOTE: 7-0 to grant approval of the applicant's appeal.
ITEM 5: DISCUSSION: REVIEW AND COMMENT ON PROPOSED AMENDMENTS
TO SIGN ORDINANCE
Senior Planner Griffin gave the background and possible amendments to the sign ordinance. He
noted the amendments were to be prepared and distributed for comment without any staff
analysis or recommendation, to be returned for further Council consideration at their meeting
of February 18, 1992. If the Council should decide to pursue these amendments, they would
be set for hearing before the Planning Commission and City Council with a staff analysis report
and recommendation. The Commission was asked to review the information in the memo which
had been distributed, and give their initial reactions and comments to the Planning Department
or to the City Council prior to the next week. He asked if the Commissioners had any
comments at that time.
Chair Fuller asked if the proposed changes were derived from comments that had come to the
Department in the discussion of other signs. Mr. Griffin answered that there was a proposal to
look at allowing a message board sign at a particular site. The proposal was referred to staff
directly from Council.
Commissioner Decker, referring to Section 19.60.610, asked why 30% was chosen and when
the sign would mn. Mr. Griffin answered that it was arbitrary figure. Mr. Decker suggested
the sign should run during normal business hours.
Assistant City Attorney noted the time share could probably be addressed in the Zoning
Administration rules and regulations.
Commissioner Tuchscher asked if there was an allowance in the current sign ordinance that
would accommodate under special circumstances signage out of the ordinary, particularly with
regard to a power sender or large volume retail-type outlet. Mr. Griffin answered negatively.
Commissioner Tuchscher asked if it would be appropriate to include in the review. Mr. Griffin
answered affirmatively and said he would forward it on to Council.
DIRECTOR'S REPORT
Senior Planner Griffin reminded the Commissioners that they were scheduled to tour the Salt
Creek Ranch on Wednesday, February 19, at 3 p.m. with dinner to follow at 6:30 p.m.
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Commissioner Decker asked to be excused from the tour; he would be out of town on business.
Commissioner Carson stated she would not be available for the tour because of work, but would
be able to attend the dinner.
COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS
Chair Fuller noted that the Planners Institute scheduled for April should be included on the
agenda for the next meeting. She said that Commissioners Tuchscher and Decker were the two
newest members and should go to the meeting.
ADJOURNMENT at 8:43 p.m. to the tour of Salt Creek Ranch on February 19, 1992, at 3:00
p.m., which would adjourn to the Regular Meeting of February 26, 1992.
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