HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Comm min 1992/05/13 MINUTES OF A REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING
OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF
CHULA VISTA, CALIFORNIA
7:00 p.m. Council Chambers
Wednesday, May 13, 1992 Public Services Building
ROLL CALL
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Chair Fuller, Commissioners Carson, Casillas,
Decker, Martin, Tuchscher, and Tugenberg
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Assistant Planning Director Lee, Senior Planner
Griffin, Associate Planner Miller, Associate Planner
Reid, Senior Civil Engineer Ullrich, Assistant City
Attorney Rudolf
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - SILENT PRAYER
The pledge of allegiance to the flag was led by Chair Fuller and was followed by a moment of
silent prayer.
INTRODUCTORY REMARKS
Chair Fuller reviewed the composition of the Planning Commission, its responsibilities and the
format of the meeting.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - Meetings of February 12, February 26, March 11 and March 25,
1992
MSUC (Casillas/Decker) 7-0 to approve the minutes of February 12 and March 11, 1992, as
submitted.
MSC (Decker/Martin) 6-0-1 (Commissioner Tugenberg abstained) to approve the minutes of
February 26, 1992, as submitted.
MSC (Decker/Carson) 6-0-1 (Chair Fuller abstained) to approve the minutes of March 25, 1992,
as submitted.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None
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ITEM 1: PUBLIC HEARING - PCC-92-17; REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT TO OPERATE A HEAD START CHILD DEVELOPMENT PRE-
SCHOOL PROGRAM AT 345 FllVrH AVENUE - Episcopal Conununity
Services, South Bay Head Start
Associate Planner Miller presented the staff report, and recommended adoption of the Negative
Declaration issued on IS-92-10. Staff also recommended that the Planning Commission adopt
a motion recommending approval to the City Council of PCC-92-17, subject to the conditions
outlined in the staff report or as modified or replaced.
Commissioner Decker, referring to condition 'e', pointed out that halogen was being phased out
of use as a fire suppressant because of damage to the ozone layer. Mr. Miller replied that the
words "to the satisfaction of the Fire Marshal" could be added to the condition in case of a phase
out or Code change.
Commissioner Decker asked for an explanation of the use of the portable fence. Mr. Miller
explained the use and the area in which it would be used. He said it was a chainlink fence and
was on wheels.
Commissioner Decker commented there was a 3:1 ratio of staff and students and commended
the school.
Commissioner Tugenberg asked about the previous concern of adjacent homeowners regarding
noise and asked if an acoustical wall had been required. Assistant Planning Director Lee replied
that there had been initial concern, but no complaints had been received. Senior Planner Griffin
stated that the second floor area was restricted from any type of classroom activity and was for
office only. That seemed to satisfy any concerns of the neighbors at the time the second story
was built.
Commissioner Martin questioned the traffic circulation and traffic, and if the LOS A took into
consideration the development of the hospital a few blocks away, and asked if the LOS would
change. The data was not readily available.
In reply to Commissioner Carson, Assistant City Attorney Rudolf stated a time limit would not
be necessary; the conditional use permit would be subject to review in the event there were
violations, and would be revoked if there were violations. If there were no violations, there
would be no need to reconsider it.
This being the time and the place as advertised, the public hearing was opened.
Gene Merllno, 1470 Seacoast Drive, #B, Imperial Beach 91932 (Director of Youth Services for
Episcopal Community Services), representing the applicant, supported the Head Start Program.
No one else wishing to speak, the public heating was closed.
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(A speaker slip in opposition was received from T. A. Gorman Sr. after the public bearing was
closed.)
Commissioner Martin stated that he supported the program, but requested projected cumulative
traffic impact when considering future projects.
MSUC (Tugenberg/Carson) 7-0 to adopt the Negative Declaration issued on IS-92-10.
MSUC (Tugenberg/Carson) 7-0 to reconunend to Council approval of PCC-92-17 subject
to eondltions a through 1, as amended.
ITEM 2: PUBLIC HEARING - PCC-92-34; REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT TO ALLOW A 60-BED DRUG AND ALCOHOL
REHABILITATION AND RECOVERY CENTER AT 3 NORTH SECOND
AVENUE - Victory Outreach
Associate Planner Miller presented the staff report and recommended that the Planning
Commission recommend approval to the City Council for an initial one-year period, subject to
an extension by Council upon a finding that the facility had functioned as stated by Victory
Outreach in meetings and in their literature, and as conditioned in the staff report. Staff also
recommended that the Planning Commission find that this project has no significant
environmental impact and recommend adoption to Council of the Negative Declaration issued
on IS-92-30, and that based on findings contained in Section E of the staff report, adopt a
motion recommending approval to the City Council of PCC-92-34, subject to the conditions
outlined in the staff report.
Commissioner Carson asked, out of the 80% of the residents from the County, what percent
would be from Chula Vista, and if a priority would be given to Chula Vista residents. Mr.
Martin answered that it had not been computed. A condition could be included by the Planning
Commission which would give priority to Chula Vista residents.
Commissioner Carson asked if there was a nationality ratio that would be expected to be fulfilled
by.the agency. Mr. Miller answered negatively and did not have any figures as to current ratio.
Answering Commissioner Carson's query, Mr. Miller stated that all counselling would take
place off-site, and that visiting by family or friends on-site was discouraged except in special
circumstances. Staff had no objection to the Planning Commission including a condition that
visitors would not be allowed on the facility.
Commissioner Carson questioned whether the existing Pioneer facility was at full capacity. Staff
had no information.
In reply to Commissioner Carson, Associate Planner Miller said that the benefits received by
the City were more social in that residents of Chula Vista who go into the program would not
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only recover from their alcohol and drug abuse problems but also would be able to be
reintegrated into society and be a contributing member of society.
Commissioner Carson asked if this would solve the homeless problem, noting that many of the
homeless had the same problem. Mr. Miller answered negatively.
Commissioner Casillas emphasized the uniqueness of the program and the benefit to the City of
having rehabilitated, productive people back into the community.
Commissioner Tugenberg asked, of the 144 petitions which came from the City of Chula Vista,
how many came from addicts and alcoholics. Mr. Miller answered there was no attempt to
make a distinction between alcoholics and addicts.
Commissioner Tuchscher, referring to a memo from the Sr. Crime Analyst, questioned the crime
analysis done in a 0.2 mile radius. Captain Bourgeois, of the Chula Vista Police, stated that the
0.2 mile is generally the radius used for crime analysis. Anything beyond 0.2 mile is considered
inappropriate for that particular area. Compared to other parts of the City, the number of
crimes in that area was insignificant.
Commissioner Decker, referring to page 5 of the Negative Declaration, asked for further
comment on the noise potential of the project. Associate Planner Reid referred to Condition 3
which stated that any substantiated conflicts with or complaints from the surrounding
neighborhood would be cause for review and possible revocation of the permit.
In answer to Commissioner Decker, Senior Planner Griffin said there was no mechanism to
process the complaints, and nothing planned to notify the residents of this particular condition.
Staff could recommend that, however, to Council if the Commission desired.
Commissioner Decker commented that this project should be exempt from school fees since no
children were involved. Ms. Reid stated the City as a rule takes the recommendation of the
school districts. She could check the community care laws to determine if it would be exempt.
Assistant City Attorney Rudolf confirmed that the school fees were imposed by the school and
they determined if the project was exempt.
This being the time and the place as advertised, the public hearing was opened.
Tony Guzman, 590 Fir Street, San Diego 92101, representing Victory Outreach Church, asked
the Commissioners to go along with the staff recommendation.
Commissioner Tugenberg said he understood there was a great need for this ldnd of service in
San Diego, and if there had been attempts to locate in other parts of the County.
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Mr. Guzman replied that they bad looked at other areas, but there was a problem locating an
area large enough, wrong zoning, or the cost was prohibitive.
Commissioner Tugenberg asked if there was a possibility of giving priority to Chula Vista
residents. Mr. Guzman said there was no problem; be could guarantee a bed within 24 hours,
although it may be in a place other than Chula Vista.
In reply to Commissioner Tuchscher, Mr. Guzman said that could be added as a condition.
J. R. Chantengco, 376 Canyon Ridge Drive, Bonita, representing Chantengco Realty, Inc.,
noted the benefits the project would have on the community and the landlord. Victory Outreach
was trying to consolidate several programs and locate them in Chula Vista. Mr. Chantengco felt
it gave Victory Outreach a better ability to provide for local residents.
Diane Messier, 12732 Castle Ct., Lakeside 92040, spoke to Victory Outreach's ability to
provide professional security. Involved in law enforcement in San Diego County, she had
opportunities to check the safety of youth involved in the gang ministry. Victory Outreach met
and exceeded the standards for security. She said the project would offer a choice to those who
would otherwise feel there was no way out.
Tomas Rodriguez, 2129 31st St., San Diego 92104, addressed the concerns of residents
regarding types of people served by the ministry. The potential residents of the ministry are
interviewed by appointment and are not drop-ins. Out-patient counselling is done at the Church
rather than at the Victory Outreach site. Mr. Rodriguez explained the process of entering the
program and said they took extreme caution as to the people who would take part in the
program.
Commissioner Carson asked how long it took for a person to be serviced in the facility after
putting in an application.
Mr. Rodriguez said it depended on the individual and circumstances. After discussing the
program with the individual and what was expected of them, it would be a matter of days after
the individual had taken care of personal matters.
Lucille Dion, 4640 Zion Avenue, Apt. D1, San Diego 92120, was court-committed 2-1/2 years
before to the home. She and her husband had been on drugs and are now rehabilitated and
working in the community and the Church.
Carlos Alaniz, 188 Caile Primera, San Ysidro 92173, stated the program had recognition from
President Bush and Nancy Reagan, and by the state and local governments. The program could
be a positive effect on the community.
Ernesto Valdibieso, 548 Palomar St., CV 91911, was a product of Victory Outreach. He said
they taught discipline and obedience. He had been on hard drugs with no direction as to where
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to go, with no communication with his family. The program brings in ail types of people, not
only low class, and tries to rehabilitate their recovery mentally, physicaily, and spiritually.
Peter Watry, 81 Second Avenue, CV 91910, said he supported the application because Pastor
Guzman had considered all of the concerns the neighbors would have and answered them ail
without being prodded. He supported the application with ail the conditions attached. He asked
that in Attachment A (Rules-Men's Home), #14, the word "County" be inserted.
Tony Castro, 158 Zenith Street, CV 91911, had read about the successes of Victory Outreach
in dealing with drug rehabilitation, and had spoken with the Chief of Police in Escondido who
had highly endorsed the Victory Outreach program.
Jeff Cotta, 943 10th Street, San Diego 92101, representing the owners of the property,
supported the project, and felt they would work well with the Nosotros project which was
aiready on the property.
Catherine Goy, 43 Davidson St., CV 91910, lived within waiking distance of the project and
felt Chula Vista could set an example by being a leader in programs such as this.
Thomas Sandoval, 2345 G Avenue, Nationai City, urged support of the project.
Steve Perez, 1470 Second Street, CV 91911, said he was a product of the home and was now
a minister. He urged support of the project.
Joe Blaekwell, 750 Kedze Avenue, Paim City, CA, spoke of the hours of preparation,
investigation, research, and interviews to show the credibility of Victory Outreach. He felt the
concerns of the residents were genuine, because of fear of the unknown. He felt the citizens
would see an immediate improvement in the community if the conditionai use permit was
approved.
Elizabeth Beatty, 804 Norstad St., South San Diego, 92154, stated that not only low life people
would be in the facility. A member of her family had gotten involved with drugs; had gone to
Victory Outreach and had been changed 100%. She said it has to hit home before anyone wants
to get involved. She supported the Victory Outreach program.
Eileen Montalongo, 233 Chula Vista St., CV 91910, said there was not a safe place anymore,
and we have to help. She supported Victory Outreach and their type of program. She said it
was well supervised, and she had seen their progress.
S_oe~kin~, A~,ainst the Project:
Harriet Acton, 265 Nixon Place, CV 91910, said she is one of the closest neighbors and could
hear everything that goes on at the "reformatory" day and night. She and her neighbors would
rather see a residential care facility or convaiescent home at that address. They felt what had
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been proposed beat what they had, but felt they could do better. Mrs. Acton noted the other
facilities in the immediate neighborhood, and spoke of the street people coming from the flood
control channel and the industrial site in the early morning. They had concerns about their
children, home, and property values. She was concerned that the rules of Victory Outreach may
not be enforced. She requested that if the City allowed the project, that there be spot checks,
that it be a one-year conditional use permit. She requested that it be monitored closely,
judiciously, and unannounced.
Ted Bell, 111 N. Second Ave., CV 91910, of KOA, concurred with Mrs. Acton and
commended staff on requesting additional conditions and asked that some of the conditions
suggested by the Commission be included. Mr. Bell said KOA had gone to 24-hour security
because crime had increased. He stated that Victory Outreach appeared to be an organization
that may be able to do the job and suggested that a report come back from Planning on a regular
basis of what the conditions were rather than on the basis of complaints.
Joseph Ghougassian, 74 Las Flores Drive, CV 91910, speaking on behalf of the residents on
the new street of Las Flores Drive, presented a petition to the Commission. He said about 80%
of the residents there were opposed to the project because of safety, welfare, wellbeing, security,
peace and enjoyment, and the economic preservation of the value of the homes in the
neighborhood. He felt the project was worthwhile, but did not feel it should be in the "back
yard" of the people on Las Flores Drive. He suggested that Victory Outreach should write a
letter to the Secretary of Housing requesting seed money to build somewhere else. He said the
Resource Conservation Commission had not reviewed the Negative Declaration, but would
review it during the next week or the week thereafter.
Commissioner Tuchscher asked if Mr. Ghougassian was satisfied with the current value of his
property. Mr. Ghougassian answered affirmatively.
Miriam Robbins, 20 Second Avenue, CV 91910, was concerned about the safety of her children
and children who attend a nearby school. She said it was not the responsibility of the northern
part of Chula Vista to take all the people in trouble. She was concerned about the security of
the residents of Victory Outreach. Ms. Robbins noted that Victory Outreach's success rate was
49 %; she asked what happened to the other 51%. She said her house had increased 10 % in nine
years. She felt that was a bad investment in San Diego County. She wholeheartedly opposed
the project at that location.
Charles Bradley, 29 Second Avenue, CV 91910, was concerned about those who don't succeed
in the program, the nights 66 men would be in the neighborhood, the ratio of 1 to 4 supervisors
to the 66 men who had been involved in illegalities. He was concerned about the recidivist in
the community. He pledged to be a good neighbor, but asked the Commission's support in
protecting the interest of their safety and in imposing any and all restrictions that would cause
Victory or other resident to abide by the law and protect the residents of the area.
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Leonard Aguillard, 138 Minot Avenue, CV 91910, felt this was not the best use for the
facility. He said it was a good program but not to be located on Vista Hill, and requested a
negative vote. He noted the other projects within four blocks of Vista Hill, and said the
residents had been before the Commission and Council regarding many other projects proposed
for the area. The property owners would not sign Mr. Aguillard's petition, because they felt
the Commissioners would not listen.
Commissioner Tugenberg noted that the mobilehome park had been brought up by Council
again, and he asked if the residents of Minot felt it was inevitable. Mr. Aguillard replied that
he felt it was. A Veterans Home had been mentioned and he supported that, but it was not
done. The residents would like to have a greenbelt.
Jorge Sanehez, 75 D Street, CV 91910, expressed his desire that the use of the land be long-
term and be considered in the context of the current community, which was unique and attracted
special people.
Letleia Bradley, 29 Second Avenue, CV 91910, said they had bought a home in Chula Vista
because they wanted to live in a better area. Now they felt they would have to move to another
place.
No one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Decker felt Victory Outreach had a good program and were sincere in wanting
to do good work. He believed this was one of the ways to solve some of the problems of the
community, and supported the project.
Commissioner Tuchscher stated he was proud of the community, and he had a tremendous
amount of respect for a lot of the people. He spoke of real estate values, stating that the
building, zoning, and history of use was there. He said that perception was a key factor in
property values, and the unknown of having an empty facility probably hurts property value
more than the known of the well-ten facility. He emphasized that the Zoning Administrator was
available, and he himself would be very sensitive to future complaints when this comes before
the Commission in the future. He supported the use.
Commissioner Casillas commented that Chula Vista as a community had come a long way in the
last few years. The involvement of citizens on the boards and commissions of the City was
paying off in quality participation. He said all were obligated to be cognizant of the health and
welfare of the community, and complimented those who went to the meeting and spoke. He
supported the program.
Commissioner Tugenberg felt the benefits to the general community of Chula Vista were
probably exceptional, but felt it would have an impact. He had voted for the Pioneer
rehabilitation and Nosotros, but was concerned about the impact this project would have on
Second Avenue and that community because the other projects were there. He felt the
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community property values would go down no matter how well Victory was operated. He did
not support the program at that location.
Chair Fuller noted that a number of the persons who spoke in opposition to this program being
in that location were persons who, from the dates they said they moved there, bought homes in
a neighborhood they thought was a fine area of Chula Vista that already contained facilities that
had been there a number of years. People knew there was a mental health facility and bought
into the neighborhood knowing there was a large facility there zoned for this type of facility.
She felt that history should be taken into consideration.
Commissioner Martin was in favor of the program and an advocate of Victory Outreach. He
suggested that Victory Outreach might put together some form of local citizens monitoring
group, and invite them to come in at any time, to reach out to the community to meet their
concerns. He said there was crime, and he felt it was better to have someone under a systematic
controlled environment who was trying to do better within themselves.
Commissioner Carson believed Victory Outreach would be an outstanding program, but was
concerned about the location being near other types of programs. She was very disturbed to
hear about all the transits, although she assumed they were there. She hoped the Police
Department would try to do something about it. She would like to see Victory Outreach settle
in an area such as EastLake. She would not vote for the program as submitted. If it was
conditioned to be one year only, that there be spot checks, that a high percentage be for Chula
Vista residents, she might vote for it. Commissioners Carson and Tugenberg discussed what
the percentage might be.
MSC (Casillas/Decker) 5-2 (Commissioners Carson and Tugenberg voting against) that
based on the Initial Study and comments on the Initial Study and the Negative Declaration,
find that this project will have no significant environmental impacts and adopt the Negative
Declaration issued on IS-92-30.
MS (Casillas/Martin) that based on the findings contained in Section E of the staff report,
recommend conditional approval to the City Council of PCC-92-34, subject to conditions 1
through 15.
Commissioner Decker asked that a condition be added allowing priority to Chula Vista residents.
The maker of the motion agreed to the amendment.
AMENDED MOTION:
Based on the findings contained in Section E of the staff report, recommend conditional approval
to the City Council of PCC-92-34, subject to conditions 1 through 15, and adding condition 16
as follows:
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"16. Where possible, applicants who are residents of the City of Chula Vista
shall be given priority into the program."
Commissioner Tuchscher requested that no. 14 of Attachment A (Rules) which was incorporated
by condition no. 2, be revised to add the Word "County."
There was general discussion as to the meaning of the rule, whether they would not be returned
to a facility in Chula Vista for that time period, rather than San Diego City or San Diego
County.
Pastor Guzman agreed that it could be changed to "Chula Vista." There was another Victory
Outreach in Escondido over which they had no authority.
RESTATED MOTION:
Based on the f'mdings contained in Section E of the staff report, recommend conditional
approval to the City Council of PCC-92-34, subject to conditions 1 through 15, and adding
condition 16 as follows:
"16. Where possible, applicants who are residents of the City of Chula
Vista shall be given priority into the program."
and revising no. 14 of Attachment A (Rules) incorporated by condition no. 2, adding the
words "Chula Vista."
VOTE: 5-2 (Commissioners Carson and Tugenberg voted against)
Chair Fuller declared a 5-minute break at 10:00 p.m. The meeting resumed at 10:07 p.m.
ITEM 3: REPORT - RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION REPORT
Assistant Planning Director ~ summarized the Economic Development Commission Report,
pinpointing the areas which specifically related to the Planning Commission, and asked the
Commissioners for their comments.
Commissioner Tugenberg commented that the Montgomery Planning Committee should not be
discontinued; he felt citizen input was very important. He stated he had benefitted by the input
by the Montgomery Planning Committee on items which had come before the Planning
Commission.
Commissioner Tugenberg asked if the Otay Planning Group dovetailed with the Montgomery
Planning Committee. Mr. Lee replied that the Otay Area was part of Montgomery; the
Southwest Redevelopment Area encompassed the Montgomery Area, but also extended into part
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of Chula Vista. The boundaries of the Southwest Redevelopment Area were not coterminous
with Montgomery. Otay was part of the Montgomery responsibility.
Commissioner Casillas concurred that it was very beneficial to retain the Montgomery Planning
Committee.
Assistant Planning Director Lee noted that the report didn't really get into the issues of
streamlining the permit process, the process of going through the various departments.
Chair Fuller noted that there was no interaction of the Economic Development Commission with
the various boards and commissions prior to making the recommendation.
Commissioner Tuchscher, who was a member of the Economic Development Commission,
discussed the methodology of preparing the report and concurred with Chair Fuller that the
Commission subcommittee had not discussed it with any of the boards and commissions
addressed in the report. He continued to explain some of the reasons for their recommendations.
In reply to Commissioner Decker, Assistant Director Lee gave some examples as to the types
of items which would be considered administrative actions.
Commissioner Martin commented on the ombudsman, and asked if that person would be part
of the Planning Department and where he/she would fit into the structure. Mr. Lee noted that
the ombudsman had in the past been in Administration. Commissioner Tuchscher explained the
concept of the ombudsman.
DIRECTOR'S REPORT
Assistant Planning Director Lee reviewed the revised Planning Commission schedule. He asked
that the Commissioners contact the Secretary regarding their vacation schedule, so some of the
critical items could be scheduled. He asked that the Commission consider cancellation of the
May 20 and May 27 meetings, and schedule a special meeting for June 3 for the Kaiser EIR.
He reminded them of the upcoming Otay Ranch tours. The Commissioners agreed to the
cancellation of the May 20 and 27 meetings. Mr. Lee stated that one of the critical meetings
scheduled would be June 24 regarding the Kaiser project.
COMMISSION COMMENTS
Commissioner Casillas noted that political signs were up and he wondered if all of them were
legal in size. Assistant Planning Director Lee said he would refer that to the Zoning
Enforcement Division.
Commissioner Tugenberg stated he would not be at the June 3 and June 29 meeting.
Commissioner Carson said there was a potential that she would not be at the June 29 meeting.
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Commissioner Martin said he appreciated the staff members numbering the pages in the packet.
The Commissioners concurred that it was very helpful.
ADJOURNMENT at 10:37 p.m. to the Joint Planning Commission/County Commission Tour
on May 15, 1992 at 1:30 p.m.; May 16, 1992 at 8:00 a.m.; and May 22, 1992 at 1:30 p.m. at
the Otay Ranch House.
Nancy Ripl/ey, Secretary
Planning Commission
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