HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Comm min 1981/10/28 MINUTES OF A REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING
OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF
CHULA VISTA, CALIFORNIA
October 28, 1981
A regular business meeting of the City Planning Commission of Chula Vista,
California was held on the above date beginning at 7:00 p.m. in the City Council
Chambers, Public Services Building, 276 Fourth Avenue.
Commissioners Present: Pressutti, Stevenson, O'Neill, G. Johnson, Green,
R. Johnson and Williams
Staff Present: Director of Planning Peterson, Housing Coordinator
Gustafson, Assistant City Attorney Harron and
Secretary Mapes
The pledge of allegiance to the flag was led by Chairman Pressutti, and was followed
by a moment of silent prayer.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
MSUC (R. Johnson-Stevenson) The minutes of the meeting of October 14, 1981 be
approved as written. Commissioner O'Neill abstained due to his absence from that
meeting.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Chairman Pressutti called for oral communications and none were presented.
1. Consideration of request for extension of tentative subdivision map for
Carabella, Chula Vista Tract 80-13
Director of Planning Peterson reported that the tentative map for 11 townhouse
units at 457 "E" Street was approved in June, 1980. The developer has filed a
final map which is being checked but will probably not receive action prior to the
expiration date of December 10, 1981. The developers have indicated their intent
to go ahead with the development, conditions in the neighborhood have not changed,
and a one year extension for completion of the final map is appropriate.
Commissioner G. Johnson reported in viewing this site she observed that a retaining
wall on the west side of the property is broken and pieces of the concrete are on
the sidewalk. She questioned whether that wall is the responsibility of the owner
of this property and what steps can be taken to remedy that unsafe condition.
Mr. Peterson advised he would determine who is responsible for the wall and see
that it is taken care of.
MSUC (O'Neill-Green) A one year extension is granted on the tentative subdivision
map for Chula Vista Tract 80-13.
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2. PUBLIC HEARING: Conditional use permit PCC-82-5~ request to operate family
amusement center at 895 Third Avenue - Lawn and Stuessy
Director of Planning Peterson noted on a plat the proposed location of a family
amusement center, which would include video games, pinball and table games, at
895 Third Avenue. A new building would be constructed in the rear of the lot
that is the site of the Frazee paint store. The building will be just under 3,000
sq. ft. and would house 46 games, a small snack area and two restrooms. The
proposed operating hours are 11:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m., Monday through Thursday;
11:00 a.m. to midnight on Friday and Saturday; and 11:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. on Sunday.
This property is zoned C-C which is one of the few districts in which recreational
facilities, such as this, are listed as a conditional use. Even in the C-C zone
the Planning Commission has the discretion of determining whether or not it is
appropriate at a particular location.
Mr. Peterson pointed out the property is surrounded on three sides by commercial
development and on the fourth side by a drainage channel, which separates the site
from residential uses to the east. Access to the property is from Third Avenue
which is a busy commercial street. The building would set back 150 feet from
Third Avenue and a portion of the building would be behind the Frazee store so
that surveillance from the street would not be easy.
The Department personnel feel this is an appropriate location for a business of
this type and have recommended approval of the request subject to six conditions
which include the requirement for walls on certain property lines, placing
windows on the south and west elevations of the building to permit observation of
the parking area from inside the building, proper illumination for security
purposes and the provision of a bicycle rack.
Mr. Peterson advised of the receipt of a letter from Mrs. Hollenbeck of San Miguel
Drive expressing opposition due to anticipated noise, rowdiness and vandalism that
may result from this type of use. He also acknowledged receipt of a petition
signed by 60 persons expressing opposition to the application citing it as a safety
hazard to clients because of inadequate ingress and egress and the heavy traffic
on Third Avenue; the mingling of young students from the elementary school with
high school students and older clients; the introduction into the neighborhood
of a new element which will provide a new avenue for vandalism and/or robbery;
and deprive the residents of the neighborhood of their right to peaceful enjoyment
of their property.
Mr. Peterson displayed slides of the site, noting the existing trees bordering the
drainage channel on the east, and the masonry wall on the north; also slides of the
site plan, noting the entrance to the building and the parking areas, and a floor
plan of the center.
This being the time and place as advertised, the public hearing was opened.
Mrs. Wolf, 256 "L" Street, contended this is a residential area and the residents
do not need or want an establishment of this type.
Jim Dunigan, 268 Sierra Way, advised that his primary mission at this hearing is
to protect the right to maintain a neighborhood of high moral standards. He
contended this type of activity would have an impact on the environment, which
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is the aggregate of social and cultural conditions that influence the life of an
individual. He asserted such an enterprise would bring "hot-shot" high school
students and other outside elements into the area and suggested that a more
suitable area to place an arcade could be found.
Jack McElyea, 239 Sierra Way, expressed concern over locating such an establish-
ment near an elementary school and high school. He pointed out that although the
property is in a commercial zone, the building will be located nearer to the
residential area than to Third Avenue.
Scott Lawn, 590 Telegraph Canyon Road, one of the applicants, reported that he
and Mr. Stuessy have been business associates for the past ten years, during
which time they established a chain of 9 retail stores in Illinois and Wisconsin;
he is confident they are qualified to handle this type of business and any problems
that might arise. He commented on research conducted by Sega Enterprises on this
type of business which revealed that the majority of customers are 14 to 30 years
of age.
In response to questions raised by the Commission, Mr. Lawn discussed their
proposed method of operation, which will include the use of membership cards for
anyone under age 17, no admittance of persons under 17 during school hours, except
at lunch period or with a written permission slip. One or the other of the owners
will be present at all times during the operation of the center and they will be
assisted during the evening or peak hours by their spouses.
Mr. Lawn had no objection to the conditions recommended in the report, including
the requirement for review by the Planning Commission in the event of continued
disturbance or problems. He asserted it would be their paramount interest to avoid
any neighborhood problems.
Assistant City Attorney Harron expressed the opinion that the condition for review
is not specific enough to result in revocation of the use permit and suggested
either a time period during which the operation could be evaluated, or that the
condition specifically describe the kind of problems that would result in revocation.
Mr. Lawn advised they could not obtain a lease if the operation were subject to
a possible one year limitation. He expressed confidence that under their method of
operation there would be no problem of rowdiness or vandalism since any undesirable
conduct would result in revocation of a membership card.
Anthony Nasdeo, 272 Sierra Way, questioned the ability of an attendant at the
amusement center to police the parking lot and also supervise the use of 46 machines
and the bathrooms and discussed problems associated with the drainage channel.
Kerry Belmontez, 681 Del Mar Avenue, spoke in favor of the amusement center as an
activity for youth in the community and contended that having the activity there
would deter vandalism (throwing rocks, stealing hub caps, etc.) in the adjacent
parking lot and in the drainage channel since there would be people around who
would witness such acts.
Jim Zifaleto, 233 Sierra Way, reiterated previous concerns addressed with regard
to loitering, vandalism and noise and suggested it is important to keep in mind
that this is a business that will be catering to younger people.
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Bob Mansard, 264 Sierra Way, suggested that such a center should be open only
after school hours during the'week.
Lisa Ames, 479 Oaklawn Avenue, spoke in support of such a center as a good clean
place for youth to go, and felt it would deter rather than increase the problems
of drug use and vandalism.
Mrs. Nasdeo pointed out the location of her house, with bedrooms on the rear,
which she felt would be affected by the noise of any traffic or activity in this
area.
Claud Carty, 260 San Miguel Drive, advised that from his home he can hear the
employees of the telephone company in the parking lot and felt that noise from
this location would be a further disturbance.
Jim Magee, 257 L Street, reported that he had recently spent $10,000 to upgrade
his back yard in order to get away from the noise of "L" Street and if this use
is permitted they will get noise from here.
Jerry January, principal of Lillian Rice School, asked if the applicant would turn
away from their business during school hours people who appear to be school age.
Mr. Lawn advised they would admit no one under the age of 17 on school days except
during the lunch period. He also affirmed that minors would not be permitted after
8:00 p.m. unless accompanied by an adult.
Margarite Keach, 178 Sierra Way, expressed the opinion that the noise would not
be a problem and that the opening of such a center would cut out the problems
presently occurring in the ditch.
Scot Hollenbeck, 265 San Miguel Drive, expressed concurrence with the concerns
raised by his neighbors. He advised he is a real estate broker and could find
a location for this type of center in Chula Vista where it would not be adjacent
to a residential area. He suggested that it be located on Broadway.
Mrs. Wolf asked how many cars this parking lot will be equipped to take care of.
Mr. Lawn reported they are providing 39 parking spaces.
Mrs. Wolf commented on the heavy traffic on "L" Street at the present time and
expressed her opposition to any activity that would add more traffic.
In response to a question from Commissioner Stevenson, Mr. Hafro~ advised that a
business of this type would require a conditional use permit to operate in any
zoning district in the city.
Chairman Pressutti pointed out that a franchise restaurant, such as Jack-in-the-Box,
could locate in this area as a matter of right and that would generate far more
traffic.
Commissioner G. Johnson commented that it is a good site plan and the zoning wall
would help protect the residents to the east. However, she pointed out it is
close to the Lillian Rice School and even closer to a church school on "L" Street
and for that reason she felt such an activity would be a prime area for a lot of
problems.
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As no one else wished to speak, the public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Green suggested including in the conditions a definition of a
disturbance as "excessive noise which would be a violation of the Chula Vista
noise ordinance."
Attorney Harron advised that if a condition stated that if the operators were
convicted of an infraction of a noise violation of the city code, their use permit
would be automatically revoked, that would provide the necessary control over
the use.
MSUC (R. Johnson-Stevenson) The Commission finds that this project will have no
significant environmental impact and adopts the Negative Declaration issued on
IS-82-10.
MS (R. Johnson-O'Neill) Based on the findings in Section E of the report, the
Planning Commission approves conditional use permit PCC-82-5 to establish an
amusement center at 895 Third Avenue, subject to the first five conditions
recommended in the report and with the sixth condition revised to state:
"A conviction of an infraction of the city's noise ordinance will be grounds for
revocation of the conditional use permit."
Commissioner Stevenson asked if the maker of the motion would agree to adding
another condition to require that in the absence of a male owner on the premises
a security guard, age 21 years or older, would be present on the site.
Assistant City Attorney Harron advised that such a condition would probably be
legally invalid because of discrimination based upon sex.
Commissioner R. Johnson advised he could not accept such a condition and felt
the applicant should be permitted to run his own business.
MS (Stevenson-G. Johnson) The motion be amended to include an additional condition
to require that during the evening hours when the center is open, either an adult
owner or a qualified security guard will be present on the premises at all times.
The motion for the amendment carried by a vote of 6-1 with Commissioner R. Johnson
voting no.
The motion for approval of the conditional use permit, as amended, carried by
the following vote:
AYES: Commissioners R. Johnson, O'Neill, Stevenson, Pressutti and Green
NOES: Commissioners Williams and G. Johnson
ABSENT: None
Director of Planning Peterson announced that the Planning Commission action on
this application is final unless someone appeals the decision to the City Council,
in which case a public hearing would be held before the Council.
The meeting recessed at 8:50 p.m. and was reconvened at 9:00 p.m.
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3. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Affordable Housing Policy and adoption of
amendments to the zoning ordinance relatinq to Affordable
Housing definitions and uses
Director of Planning Peterson reported that this policy has grown out of the
City Council's study of an inclusionary housing program, which is a mandatory
type of program under which each developer must provide, as part of a development,
a certain percentage of the total number of units at a price range affordable by
low and moderate income families. The City Council investigated that type of
program quite thoroughly; they visited Orange County where such a program is in
effect, talked to officials there and toured some of the housing sites. After
considerable discussion the Council decided not to pursue an inclusionary housing
program and directed the staff to work with a group of people familiar with
construction, real estate, and other people interested in housing to develop a
voluntary type of affordable housing policy.
After a number of meetings with the group of selected representatives staff drafted
the subject policy. Mr. Peterson expressed the belief that if the subject policy
is adopted it probably will not assist persons in the low income, or persons
earning 75 to 80 per cent of the median income, to obtain new housing as those
groups require a deep subsidy. It is hoped that the policy might enable medium
income families to get into the ownership of housing.
The policy commits the City to granting a 25% density bonus to every developer who
agrees to provide 25% of the units at a price range affordable to families earning
no more than 120% of the median income. The policy also makes provision for waiver
of fees if there are block grant funds available to fund this; provides for assistance
by the City for public improvements if there are block grant funds to pay for this.
It also provides for a fast tracking process, encourages the use of factory built
housing, and provides a proportionate density bonus for developers who choose to
provide a lesser percentage than 25% of affordable housing.
Commissioner Stevenson noted that during the study session discussion it was
suggested that a development offering 25% of the units for low or moderate income
housing would be entitled to 25% waiver of fees, which would increase to 100%
if the entire project was for low and moderate income housing. He felt the same
rationale should apply to both fees and public improvements.
Mr. Peterson responded that the fees are a very small cost as compared with other
costs and that he would support a full waiver of fees even for a 25% affordable
project. In general though, it would be the staff's intent to scale benefits on
the basis of the merit of the project; however, it would be difficult to spell out
in the policy the percentage to apply to the various types of projects or applica-
tions, so that matter should be addressed on a case by case basis.
Commissioner Williams asked how this policy relates to the city's present policy,
and whether it relates to regional requirements that each community take a fair
share of low and moderate income housing.
Mr. Peterson noted that the present Housing Element says each developer must
address the need for low income housing but does not require the developer to
provide such housing. This policy is a step toward trying to implement the
Housing Element.
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Commissioner Stevenson raised the question about financial disclosure of assets.
He felt the policy should assure that the truly low and moderate income people
would get the low cost housing.
Housing Coordinator Gustafson pointed out that income determination would be
based on the calculation of earned income, assistance payments, and reasonable
yield from liquid assets. The City would contract with the County Housing
Authority to use the same qualifications currently used for the Section 8 existing
program, in which the Authority verifies the income of an individual and also the
liquid assets and calculate the income yield from those assets.
Commissioner O'Neill asked why the policy zeroes in on acquiring mobile home
park sites.
Mr. Peterson advised that language was inserted because of the feeling in the
community that some of the existing mobile home parks are temporary land uses
and there has been an indication by one owner that he may vacate the park to
allow for other development.
Mr. Gustafson added that the city has an ongoing program for land banking; last
year two sites were purchased that could be used for multiple family housing.
Commissioner Stevenson asked if a study has been done to determine if there are
citizens in Chula Vista at low and moderate income levels who do not have housing.
What prompted the idea that there is a problem in this city?
Mr. Peterson advised that the City together with SANDAG has conducted such a
study based on census information and the City of Chula Vista has an assigned
number of units which they are to work toward providing; that is based on the
number of families in Chula Vista who are paying more than 25% of their income
for housing.
Mr. Gustafson pointed out that Section II.L of the policy addresses the need for
the Community Development Department to monitor the need for affordable housing
and the progress and effectiveness of the policy.
Commissioner Williams asked if a report is available that includes the number of
units of low cost housing that are needed, and if such a report could be furnished
to the Planning Commission.
Mr. Peterson affirmed that Chula Vista has a housing assistance plan that includes
that information and also the Areawide Housing Opportunities plan that tells the
number of families spending more than 25% of their income on housing.
Chairman Pressutti opened the public hearing.
Dick Brown, 1050 Pioneer Way, Suite A, E1 Cajon, representing the Gersten Company,
reported that the Gersten Company does not object to this policy as it does them
no damage. He advised that the Gersten Company has spent a lot of time, effort
and money trying to respond to the City's requirement that they address the
issue of low and moderate income housing. They have made a number of proposals
for such housing, none of which have been acceptable to staff.
While they do not object to this policy, they would like to see a policy that would
work--that would actually produce some affordable housing--and they do not think
this policy will do that.
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Mr. Brown asserted that he knows of no place in the U. S. Constitution or the
California Constitution that says government is responsible to provide new housing
for people who cannot afford it. Under present standards a family of four is
considered low income if their income is $17,000 or less per year and moderate
income if they earn $25,700 or less. For single people, low income is $12,000
a year, or $18,000 a year for moderate income. He contended that the majority
of the people who are paying their own way are spending more than 25% of their
income for housing, with the exception of the wealthy.
Mr. Brown suggested that if the city actually wishes to have low cost housing
developed, specificity is a very critical part of the policy. For example, fast
tracking has a definite effect on a developer's cost; if land is purchased contingent
upon the approval from the city for a specific development, the cost is higher than
if the sale is based on a 30 to 45 day closing of escrow. It is also important
for a developer to know ahead of time what fees can be waived and what assistance
will be given on offsite improvements.
With regard to the reservation on resale, Mr. Brown felt that the proposed provisions
would not work, but if the program is really successful it will constantly create
a housing stock of an affordable nature--units which are lower priced than other
units in the community because they are designed to be lower priced--and they will
always sell somewhat lower. Rather than strict controls, the city needs a program
that continually produces housing that will meet the market demand.
He suggested that the costs incurred by the city due to fast tracking, waiver of
fees and public improvements, be recovered by having a lien on the property due
on resale.
Mr. Brown pointed out that much of the proposed policy was brought about by a
requirement of the State to provide low and moderate income housing, and if the
City would monitor the housing units presently rented and the resale of housing
units, they would find the State's requirements are already being met.
Mr. Brown quoted figures from a recent report in the "U. S. News and World Report"
which bear out the fact that land costs in California are almost double the cost
in the next highest of the contiguous 48 states, and it is 3½ times the average
in the United States.
Dick Kau, 3404 Bonita Road, contended that with the restrictions placed on developers
by the City they cannot develop moderate priced housing in this area. He has spent
considerable time and effort searching for mobile home park sites, since that is
the most affordable housing, but there seems to be no sites available. Upon
attempting to develop a park in the Otay Mesa area, the developer was told by the
City of San Diego that they could not submit plans due to a sewer problem in
that area. If the land is purchased now it would be necessary to hold it for a
number of years until the sewer problem is solved. A mobile home park was planned
for Proctor Valley but people three miles away protested. He contended the big
problem is that there is not enough land available to build on that is priced low
enough for this type of housing.
As no one else wished to speak, the public hearing was closed.
Commissioner O'Neill asked the Director of Planning to comment on some of the
recommendations made by Mr. Brown.
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Mr. Peterson noted that one of the major points deals with a certainty as to the
time frame in which a developer gets a decision from the City. He advised that
six or eight years ago, based on a recommendation from Boos, Allan and Hamilton
to streamline the procedures, it was suggested that tentative maps require approval
only of the Planning Commission and not by the City Council. The Council rejected
such a proposal. Mr. Peterson advised that due to the number of agencies to which
a tentative map must be referred for review and comment, it is not possible to
guarantee that it will be processed through Planning Commission and City Council
hearings within a 30 day period.
With regard to the recommendation concerning publishing rent figures and sales
figures, Mr. Gustafson concurred that is a good suggestion and something they will
anticipate doing on a quarterly basis.
Commissioner R. Johnson expressed the opinion that it should be possible to work
out some time frame on which the developer could be certain of a decision~ thi~ may
be 45 days or 60 days, but it should be possible to establish a maximum time.
Commissioner O'Neill expressed the fear that this policy will not produce any
additional housing; he did not wish his comments to reflect on the persons who have
worked on the policy because it contains many fine ideas, but he just felt it would
not get results.
MSUC (Stevenson-Green) The Commission finds that this project will have no significant
environmental impact and adopts the Negative Declaration issued on IS-82-7.
MS (Stevenson-R. Johnson) The Commission recommends that the City Council not adopt
the draft Affordable Housing Policy and related amendments to the Chula Vista
Municipal Code, in view of the fact that we envision no benefits would be derived
therefrom.
In discussion of the motion, opinions were expressed that there are some very good
parts of the policy; that considerable time and work has gone into it, and it should
not just be dropped at this point; that it would be difficult for the Commission to
make recommendations at this time on ways of revising the policy to get the desired
results without further study and consideration.
With the consent of the second, the motion was withdrawn.
MS (Stevenson-R. Johnson) Consideration of the Affordable Housing Policy be
continued to the second meeting in February, which will be a study session (February 17,
1982), to permit both the staff and the Commission to further consider comments
presented tonight as well as the letters from members of the committee that met to
draft this policy.
The motion for continuance carried unanimously.
DIRECTOR'S REPORT
Director of Planning Peterson reported that next Thursday, November 5th, at 7:00 p.m.
the Local Agency Formation Commission will conduct a public hearing at Lauderbach
School on the subject of whether Montgomery should annex or incorporate. He distributed
to the Commissioners the staff report of the LAFCO agency on the subject. Any
Commissioners who are interested may wish to attend this meeting.
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COMMISSION COMMENTS
Commissioner Stevenson reported that at the corner of Fifth and "I" where a 24 hour
child care center was recently approved, there is a large, hand painted sign
attached to the chimney that reads, "Night care service now available." He did
not recall authorizing any additional signing and asked that the staff check into
this.
Commissioner Williams handed to the other Commissioners printed material he had
brought from the League of California Cities meeting, and indicated he would save
an oral report until a time when the meeting did not run so late.
ADJOURNMENT
Chairman Pressutti adjourned the meeting at 10:30 p.m. to the next scheduled
business meeting to be held on November 18, 1981 at 7:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,