HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Comm min 1989/09/13 Tape: #303
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MINUTES OF A REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING
OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF
CHULA VISTA, CALIFORNIA
Council Chambers
7:00 p.m. Public Services Building
Wednesday, September 13, 1989
ROLL CALL
COM~IISSIONERS PRESENT: Chairman Tugenberg, Commissioners Cannon,
Casillas, Carson, Fuller, Grasser and Shipe
CO~MISSIONERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Principal Planner Lee, Environmental Coordinator
Reid, Associate Planner Griffin, Senior Civil
Engineer Daoust, Assistant City Attorney Rudolf
and Consultant Lettieri
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - SILENT PRAYER
The pledge of allegiance to the flag was led by Chairman Tugenberg and was
followed by a moment of silent prayer.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
MSUC (Shipe/Fuller) to approve the l.~inutes of May 24, August 2 and August 9,
1989 with corrections to the August 9 Minutes from "Chairman" Cannon to
"Commissioner" Cannon on page 6.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None
1. CONSIDERATION OF FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT EIR-88-1 {Continued)
2. PUBLIC HEARING: (Continued) PCM-89-7 AND PCZ-87-E CONSIDERATION OF A
GENERAL PLAN AND PLANNED COMMUNITY PREZONE FOR SUNBOW
II LOCATED SOUTH OF TELEGRAPH CANYON ROAD, ADJACENT TO
CHULA VISTA MEDICAL CENTER - RANCHO DEL SUR PARTNERSHIP
3. CONSIDERATION OF CEQA FINDINGS AND STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERATIONS
EIR-88-1 - SUNBOW II (Continued)
4. CONSIDERATION OF MITIGATION MONITORING PROGRAM FOR EIR-88-1 - SUNBOW II
(Continued)
MINUTES -2- September 13, 1989
Because of delays in the preparation of the Final Environmental Impact
Report for Sunbow II project, staff recommended continuation of the public
hearing on the General Development Plan and the Pre-Zoning for Sunbow II
until the meeting of September 27, 1989.
MSUC (Cannon/Grasser) to continue Items 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7 {Sunbow II) to
September 27, 1989.
5. PUBLIC HEARING: PCS-89-12 - CONSIDERATION OF TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP
FOR SUN-UP VISTA, CHULA VISTA TRACT 89-12 - GOLD KEY
DEVELOPMENT (CONTINUED)
Associate Planner Griffin commented that the item had been continued from
the meeting of August 23 in order to provide the Commission with a copy of
the Soils Report inadvertently omitted from their packet. Also provided
was a supplemental report prepared by the applicant's geologist.
The project site is 2.3 acres located to the east of Hilltop Drive. The
surrounding zoning is R-1 and single family except for Hilltop Junior High
School located to the north. The applicant proposes to subdivide the
acreage into six single-family lots fronting on Telegraph Canyon Road and
three panhandle lots accessed by an easement and a bridge traversing the
unimproved drainage channel. Two issues addressed by conditions include
the reduction of the number of panhandle lots from three to two to provide
a better interface with the dwellings to the southeast and improve parking
and circulation in the panhandle area. Since the proposal also includes
wider sideyards, recommendations have been added that the sideyards
measure at least 15 feet. Several issues that were raised but never
addressed because of the continuation include:
1. The report on soils stability found the soils to be suitable subject
to standard grading and some special provisions to be included in the
grading plan. An offer to establish some bench mark data for the
adjacent property in the event subsequent damage should occur has
been made by the applicant.
2. The possibility of a spring in the area of the drainage channel was
not found in the original soils report. An additional survey done in
connection with the supplemental report also revealed no evidence of
one in the vicinity.
3. The Fire Marshal reported that spark arrestors minimize fire hazards
from chimneys in the area and that the present dry brush presented a
greater hazard than chimneys.
4. Treatment of the drainage swale at the rear of lots 2 and 3 is
covered by Condition 'h.' The maintenance of the tributary channel
could be handled with that of the main channel. Staff has included
an exhibit of the flood elevations in the area to address any
concerns regarding downstream flooding.
MINUTES -3- September 13, 1989
Mr. Griffin concluded with the statement that staff recommends approval of
the tentative map subject to the conditions in the staff report.
Commission Shipe inquired about the planting of fire-resistant vegetation
at the bottom of the panhandle area and was informed that such could be
made a condition of the map if desired. Principal Planner Lee noted that
such recommendations usually are suggested by the Fire Marshal if
considered necessary and depend on the size of the canyon.
Associate Planner Griffin explained that the number of dwellings in the
panhandle lots had been reduced to allow more sensitive grading on the
slopes and to facilitate guest parking and circulation in the area.
Commissioner Tugenberg said he would abstain from voting because he had
been absent at the meeting of August 23 and had not been able to review
the tape.
MSUC (Cannon/Casillasl 6-0-1, Commissioner Tugenberg abstaining, that
based on the Initial Study and comments on the Initial Study and Negative
Declaration, to find that this project will have no significant
environmental impacts and adopt the Negative Declaration issued on
IS-89-74.
MSUC (Cannon/Casillas) 5-1-1, Commission Tugenberg abstaining and
Commissioner Carson no, that based on the findings contained in Section 'E
of the staff report, to recommend that the City Council approve the
tentative subdivision map for Sun-Up Vista, Chula Vista Tract 89-12,
subject to conditions a' through 'g'.
Commissioner Cannon spoke in favor of the reduction in the number of
dwellings in the panhandle lot and expressed satisfaction with the soils
report and the conclusions in that report as well as with the supplemental
report.
Commissioner Carson said she voted against the item because of the small
size of the lots.
6. PUBLIC HEARING: PCS-89-5 - CONSIDERATION OF TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP
AND DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR RANCHO DEL REY SPA II, CHULA
VISTA TRACT 89-5 - RANCHO DEL REY PARTNERSHIP
Consultant Lettieri stated that the Commission had approved the Rancho del
Rey SPA II General Development recently. The proposed area comprises 567
dwelling units on 376 acres. Using the overhead project, Mr. Lettieri
noted the location of the 211 estate lots north of Rancho del Rey Parkway
and 356 conventional lots on the south side. Also included is a 5-acre
neighborhood park, 168 acres of open space and a 6-acre community facility
site which is proposed for use as a day care facility or church site.
There are approximately 125 lots under 7,000 square feet in the
conventional lot area. He noted one correction to the staff report (page
ll). The average lot size for the R-2c should be 6,700 square feet. The
reduction was occasioned by a change in the circulation system design.
The pad size is unchanged.
MINUTES -4- September 13, 1989
Changes in the staff report regarding the estate lots are as follows:
R-la, a reduction in the lot size from 14,400 square feet to 13,400 was
caused by the widening of Ridgeback Road connecting to Rancho del Rey
Parkway, R-Ic, a reduction in the lot size from 14,400 square feet to
13,900 because of a reduction in the amount of grading needed and a slight
shifting south of the subdivision. These changes result in an increase in
the amount of open space from 168 acres to 169.5.
Mr. Lettieri pointed out three conditions of approval: Condition 43 (page
5) wherein the applicant agrees to be in compliance with the most current
Transportation Phasing Plan. An update to the Phasing Plan is expected
soon and staff wished to be certain that no misconceptions existed.
Condition 6 (page 6) When SPA II was approved, it was stated that a
condition regarding low and moderate income housing would be imposed
subject to approval of the City's Housing Coordinator.
Condition 14 (page 7) makes reference to compliance with conditions
imposed by the Growth Management Element.
Regarding the Rancho del Rey SPA II Guidelines, a revised set was
furnished the Commission for transmittal to the City Council. The basic
difference between the original and revised set is the focus on the
drought tolerant plants in SPA II.
In reply to Commissioner Casillas' inquiry about the possibility of change
in the percentage of low and moderate income housing, Mr. Lettieri
explained that the l0 percent figure is recommended to provide some
flexibility at this midway point in the specific plan. The focus is not
on this subdivision map in particular but in the overall community plan.
The condition of 10 percent does not pertain only to the entire Rancho del
Rey Specific Plan and includes all SPAs.
This being the time and the place as advertised, the public hearing was
opened.
Craig Fukuyama, 2727 Hoover Avenue, National City, representing Rancho del
Rey, stated concurrence with and acceptance of the conditions of approval.
No one else wish to speak, the public hearing was closed.
MSUC (Cannon/Carson) 7-0, to recommend approval by the City Council of the
Rancho del Rey SPA II Design Guidelines.
MSUC (Cannon/Carson) 7-0, that based upon the findings contained in the
staff report, to recommend that the City Council approve the subdivision
map for Rancho del Rey SPA II subject to the conditions contained in the
staff report.
Commission Cannon remarked that this SPA Plan contained larger lots and
fits into his conception of what a development scheme should be.
MINUTES -5- September 13, 1989
Commission Grasser said it was still her opinion that the lot size in area
2a should be larger but she would support the project.
7. PUBLIC HEARING: DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT EIR-89-9 GENERAL
DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR EASTLAKE III/OLYMPIC TRAINING
CENTER
This item was continued to the meeting of September 27, 1989.
8. PUBLIC HEARING: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PCC-90-04 REQUEST TO
ESTABLISH A MOTORCYCLE SALES AND SERVICE FACILITY AT
345 "E" STREET - THOMAS A. HORNING
Commissioner Fuller said she had a potential conflict of interest and left
the dais and the Chambers at 7:31 p.m.
Associate Planner Griffin noted that the project site is a former
furniture store at the northeast corner of "E" Street and Garrett Avenue.
The parking and loading area is located directly to the north and is zoned
R-3. The motorcycle facility would utilize the rear portion of the site
with 4,500 square feet remaining at the front of the building for separate
commercial use. The use is also located within the Downtown Parking
District which provides on- and off-street public parking. The applicant
has submitted survey information from his present location on Main Street
to support his contention of sufficient on-site parking to serve the use.
A noise study was included in the packet. Environmental noise involves
shop operations under control of the applicant and is considered to be
less than the City's noise standard when garage doors are closed or open.
Nuisance noise, which is not considered to be under control of the
applicant, is noise caused by motorcycles in and around the parking lots
as well as the possibility of test runs in the neighborhood and is
considered an item of concern. It is feared that this noise would present
a continuing problem, not only for the residents abutting the parking area
but also those residents to the north who are along an easy exit route
from the site which would avoid "E" Street, a non-signalized
intersection. For that reason, staff feels that the findings for
necessary and desirable and a lack of an adverse impact cannot be me made.
Mr. Griffin noted that one letter of support and one letter of opposition
were distributed to the Commission prior to the meeting. A phone call was
also received today from a Mr. Ben Townes, 2320 Fifth Avenue, Ste 306, San
Diego, stating that he owns the property at 370-371 "E" Street and wishes
to go on record that he does not oppose the motorcycle shop going in at
345 "E" Street; that a couple of his tenants might have written in
opposition, however, he is the owner of their rentals and thus the issue
does not concern them.
Commissioner Casillas asked for confirmation that this was a dealership
concerned only with new motorcycle and asked how many would be on the
premises at one time. At the request of staff, the applicant provided the
information that there might be 16 motorcycles on the floor, 8-10 being
worked on, and customers present might have 6-8.
MINUTES -6- September 13~ 1989
Commissioner Cannon asked if there were any statistics to back up the
belief that nuisance noise might occur in view of the fact that the
request for denial seems to be based on that probability. Mr. Griffin
replied that no statistics were available on this issue. Commissioner
Cannon then asked about the possibility of adding a condition that if
complaints of any significance were received from the neighbors, the issue
would be reviewed by the Zoning Administrator or the Commission with the
possibility of revocation of the permit. Mr. Griffin pointed out the
difficulty and expense involved in closing a business for something that
could have been reasonably anticipated before expenditures had been made.
Also, noise that occurs on the street is exempt from City Noise Standards
and must be addressed by other means. Therefore, the complaints would be
limited to the revving of engines or other noise occurring in the parking
lot.
In response to Commissioner Tugenberg's inquiry about similar noise
violations connected with a motorcycle distributorship on Broadway,
Principal Planner Lee said the main concern was noise that might be
created for the residents of Garrett Avenue which provides direct access
to the rear of the site. Also, staff has had some zoning violation issues
with the applicant which cause concern regarding placing any conditions on
the property and waiting for violations to occur prior to correcting the
matter.
Commissioner Carson said that a safety factor was also involved in that
the site was not one where such a use might be expected and there was the
possibility of someone being hurt when a motorcycle was revved up.
This being the time and the place as advertised, the public hearing was
opened.
John B. Howard, 2705 Teresita St., San Diego, CA 92104, said he worked for
the Pacific Commerce Bank; had owned a motorcycle for 2 years; that Harley
Davidson owners were not of the "Hell's Angels" type but very much in the
mainstream of society.
Tom Horning, 448 Del Mar Court, CV 92010, the applicant, said he had been
in business in Chula Vista for over 30 years. He referenced an article in
this month's Fortune Magazine regarding Harley Davidson owners and
dealers. They are not the type of people who go around causing trouble.
The bikes range from $5,000 to $15,000 and are treated with care and
respect. Mr. Horning said that much concern had been expressed about test
runs. These are done exclusively by his employees who will lose their
jobs if they do test runs that are out of line. He said as a matter of
public record that if any neighbor has a problem with any of his
employees, to bring the matter to his attention and the problem will be
solved even if it means firing the employee. Mr. Horning pointed out that
considerable money had been expended to ensure that all motorcycle
activities, sales or repair, would be kept inside the facility. The only
motorcycles visible outside would be those of the customers shopping
MINUTES -7- September 13, 1989
within. During demonstration rides, the customer is accompanied by an
employee and follows a fixed and specific route. No motorcycle other than
Harley Davidson is sold. He continued that there are noise laws
enforceable by the Police for noisy vehicles. Many Police Officers own
and use Harley Davidson's. His firm is a contract vendor for the City of
San Diego and maintains their Harley Davidson Police motorcycles. Mr.
Horning concluded saying that his customers include lawyers, bankers,
Police Officers, doctors, professionals and blue-collar workers. The trip
record, according to their survey, amounts to four to ten arrivals and
departures per hour. Over half of those are in cars so there will not be
heavy traffic. He maintained that his facility is not out of place. The
area being occupied is auto-related and is next door to where Helms
Brothers' Buick Agency was situated for 30 years or so. Mr. Horning
referenced his "zoning violations" saying they had to do with some
"blinking lights" to outline the building he owns on Broadway and the
contention by the City that they constitute signage.
At the request of Commissioner Carson, Hr. Horning outlined the ro~
taken by customers during a demonstration ride as proceeding to
Street, turn west on "E" to Fourth Avenue, then north to "C", return on
"C" to Third, proceed up the hill to "E", and return to the parking lot.
This is also a reasonable ride to test customer's motorcycles. His hours
will be 9:00-6:00 on Tuesday through Saturday for the full motorcycle
dealership, and 10:00-4:00 on Sunday to sell novelties and apparel. There
are no repair facilities open at that time.
Kenneth V. Ordway, 4159 Tenth Ave., San Diego, 92103, said he has been a
Harley Davidson owner for 30 years. He has just spent $13,000 on a
machine. There is a motorcycle agency closer to where he lives, but
because of Mr. Horning's reputation, he drives to Chula Vista for
maintenance. He spoke very highly of Mr. Horning and his firm saying the
relocation would benefit the community. Mr. Ordway noted that his
motorcycle is in conformance with EPA Standards and cannot be altered.
Jim Brown, 8605 Pagoda Way, San Diego, 92126, said he was retired after
serving 33 years in the Navy and Marine Corps, is a lO-year homeowner, and
has ridden motorcycles for 45 years. He patronizes Mr. Horning's facility
at least once a week and his arrival and departure would not offend anyone
even though it is inherent in the structure of the motorcycle engine that
it is noisier than that of a car.
Wendy Perry, 2412 S. Barcelona St., Spring Valley, CA, a 13-year home
owner, a corporate officer at Tyco Title Insurance Company in San Diego,
owns and rides a Harley Davidson Motorcycle. Ms. Perry said it was
important to that this facility would be a dealership and not a shop and
would be involved with new and expensive products in which the owners take
pride.
MINUTES -8- September 13, 1989
Bart Perry, 2412 S. Barcelona St., Spring Valley, CA, said he was a Parts
Director for Pacific Honda, in Kearney Mesa, and had been in the auto
industry for 17 years. He also drives a Harley Davidson. Pacific Honda
is located next door to one of the largest motorcycle dealerships on the
West Coast handling many brands of motorcycles. Except for the fact that
their motorcycles are rolled out for display on the sidewalk, one could
not tell it was a motorcycle facility. Mr. Perry commented that the
proposed facility would be a high-quality establishment dealing with a
high-status item, the Harley Davidson. He contended that it was highly
unlikely that any pedestrian would be subject to injury by test drivers.
Regarding noise, Hr. Perry said that the "boom-boxes" and truck radios
were far more irritating. In response to Mr. Tugenberg's question, Hr.
Perry said that some customized Harley Davidsons in the LA area cost about
$25,000.
Mike Turchen, "F" Street, CV, 92011, said he has been located adjacent to
Mr. Horning's establishment on Main Street for the past 3 years. He said
there has been no trouble with people, parking or noise during that time
and recommended Mr. Horning as a good neighbor.
Chuck Schiele, 10789 Fuerte Dr., La Mesa, said he had been using Mr.
Horning's dealership for the last year because the other three dealerships
in San Diego County had failed to meet his exacting standards. He noted
with regard to Commissioner Shipe's previous inquiry, that the 16 bikes
referenced to be on the floor would, typically, be decommissioned with
batteries not installed or connected until service or sales. The six in
the shop would not all be operational, as they would be in a state of
mechanical maintenance procedure. Those that are arriving would take
place over the course of an hour. Very few bikes, therefore, would be
running at any one time. Mr. Schiele outlined his background in mechanics
from his training in automobile mechanics, the fact that he has been a
pilot for American Airlines for the last 22 years, is a graduate
Electronic Engineer, and is strongly attracted to things mechanical. He
has been a motorcycle rider for over 30 years. He chose Mr. Horning's
shop because of the professional quality of his sales people, his service
department and two mechanics in particular. In all the times he has
visited the establishment, there has never been a problem with service nor
with noise. He indicated that Mr. Homing sponsors a group called the
Harley Davidson Owners Group which features (among other things) safety
classes. Hr. Schiele emphasized that the owners of Harley Davidsons are
responsible people.
Commissioner Casillas asked if it would be possible for the applicant to
direct customers to turn south to the "E" Street intersection to avoid
noise impact on the residences to the north? Mr. Griffin replied that
direction could be incorpoated into signage.
No one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed.
MINUTES -9- September 13, 1989
Commissioner Shipe said he would vote against denial of the request. He
is quite impressed by the type of people who own Harley Davidsons and
believes that the noise is not serious.
Commissioner Cannon said he would vote in favor of the project. He noted
that the facility had been vacant for at least 7 years, and presents an
eye-sore that might deter others from moving into the area.
Commissioner Carson said that based on the reported directions given by
Mr. Horning for test rides, she was opposed to any type of signage being
imposed as a condition.
MSUC (Cannon/Grasser) Fuller out, 6-0, that based on the Initial Study and
comments on the Initial Study and Negative Declaration, to find that this
project will have no significant environmental impacts and adopt the
Negative Declaration issued on IS-90-O1.
MSUC (Cannon/Grasser) Fuller out, 6-0, to approve PCC-90-04 based on the
fact that this particular activity is necessary and desirable to remedy a
blight that already exists on "E" Street; namely, a vacancy in a large,
retail center which could cause other retail people to feel that the City
of Chula Vista is not a viable economic center. Secondarily, that the
usage is necessary and desirable as a usage that is not available in the
downtown area currently. Further, to make a finding that there is no
adverse impact, environmentally or otherwise, with regard to this use.
The motion to approve is based on these findings.
Principal Planner Lee asked if the Commission wished to include any sort
of condition relating to any complaints being filed to cause this item to
return for consideration by the Commission for revocation. Commissioner
Cannon said he would be happy to amend his motion to include such a
condition. Commissioner Grasser said she would second.
Assistant City Attorney Rudolf asked for clarification if it was the
maker's intent that final action be taken tonight and that all findings
required by the ordinance are made.
Commissioner Cannon said it would be his intent to cover all the findings
required by 19.40.080.
DIRECTOR'S REPORT
Principal Planner Lee stated that dinner workshop would be held at 5:00 p.m.
on September 20, 1989.
COMMISSION CO~MENTS
Commissioner Casillas suggested that dinner at the Butcher Shop be considered.
MINUTES -10- September 13, 1989
Commissioner Carson asked for someone to look into the situation at Dave's
Automotive, Third and I Street, saying that the same 16+ cars are always
present.
Commissioner Tugenberg requested that the Traffic Engineer look into the
traffic situation at Otay Lakes Road and East "H" Street and also at East "H"
Street into the Southwest College lot.
ADJOURNMENT AT 8:20 p.m. to the Dinner Workshop Meeting of September 20, 1989,
at 5:00 p.m. in Conference Rooms 2 & 3.
~uth M. Smith, Sec~e~cary
L~ Planning Commission
WPC 6809P