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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Comm min 1972/03/27 MINUTES OF A REGULAR ADJOURNED MEETING OF TtIE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF CttULA VISTA, CALIFORNIA March 27, 1972 The regular adjourned meeting of the City Planning Commission of Chula Vista, California was held on the above date beginning at 7:00 p.m. with the follow- ing members present: Stewart, Macevicz, Rice, Chandler, Rudolph, Adams, Whitten and ex-officio member Miller. Also present: Director of Planning Warren, Senior Planner Williams, Associate Planner Lee, Assistant City Attorney Blick and Assistant Director of Public Works Robens. PUBLIC HEARING (Cont.): VARIANCE - 100 block K Street~ south side - Create 4 lots with no street frontage - Gentry constfUc~ion co. Associate Planner Lee commented that this hearing was continued from the meeting of March 6 at the request of the staff to allow the applicant time to develop more detailed plans for the site and provide the Engineering Division with time to study the alignment and design of a drainage easement over a portion of the property. Mr. Lee pointed out on a plat the 26' wide drainage easement along the southern property line which Engineering requires to accommodate future channel construction. The easement reduces the usable area of lots l, 2 and 3, leaving lot #1 with 5740 sq. ft. and lot #2 with 5082 sq. ft. The site plan has been revised, relocating the access road and widening the panhandle lot somewhat but still locating the garage some 40' off the access easement and the dwelling unit 20' farther back. Staff is of the opinion that development of four lots on this easement would not produce suitable living environment and recommends larger lots to avoid congestion. The Chairman declared the public hearing reopened for additional testimony. Jim Patten, Chula Vista Realty, 580 Third Avenue, representing the applicant, expressed surprise concerning the drainage easement, not having heard about it until that morning. He believes the lots are in conformity with the size of other lots in the area and that there Should be no more congestion than in any cul de sac. Not everyone wants a large lot, and people buying would be made aware of the lot size. He stated the area has been designed to keep it above any flood level that might occur, and with plenty of parking space for trailers and boats as well as cars. As no one else wished to speak the public hearing was closed. The Commission considered a three-lot layout and questioned Assistant Director of Public Works Robens regarding flood level. Mr. Robens assured them any flood would be confined to the drainage channel shown. -2- 3/27/72 MSUC (Whitten-Adams) Approval of a variance to create three lots with street RESOLUTION PCV-72-8 access from a private easement in accordance with staff recommendations at 172-178 K Street, subject to the following conditions: 1. A maximum of three lots shall be created. 2. The access drive shall be improved to standards for a residential alley as determined by the Uivision of Engineering. 3. Upon submission of a preliminary parcel map, the applicant shall demon- strate that all dwelling units can connect to the City sewer system or a septic system approved by the Division of Engineering and Building Department. 4. The existing mature trees on the site shall be retained, if feasible. 5. The 6 ft. decorative masonry wall between the access drive and adjoining property shall be subject to design review by the staff. 6. With the building permit application a site plan in conformance with Sec. 33.901 B, paragraph 30, shall be submitted for review. 7. A system of low level lighting shall be installed to light the private drive; no point on the drive shall be illuminated to a level less than 5 foot-candles. 8. A copy of the deed restrictions shall be filed with the Planning Depart- ment; they shall prohibit the conversion of garages to any other use. 9. A landscape and irrigation plan shall be submitted to the Landscape Planner for approval. The plan shall include: a. Landscaping in the front yards shall consist of 15 gal. trees, 5 gal. shrubs and a lawn of an acceptable seed mix. b. All front yard areas shall be irrigated by a sprinkler system. c. Slopes shall be planted with a ground cover acceptable to the Landscape Planner. Slopes higher than 10' shall, in addition to the ground cover, utilize a 1 gal. shrub or tree per lO0 sq. ft. of slope area and a sprinkler system. 10. In addition to the two-car garages, two off-street parking stalls per dwelling unit shall be provided. 11. A drainage easement at the rear property line shall be required, the location and alignment to be determined by the Engineering Division. Findings: a. That a hardship peculiar to the property and not created by any act of the owner exists. -3- 3/27/72 The division of land has created a lot that can only be served by a 20' wide access road. b. That this variance is necessary for the preservation and enjoyment of sub- stantial property rights possessed by other properties in the same zone and in the vicinity of the subject property. The lots that are proposed will exceed the standards of size and configu- ration of the R-1 zone. c. That the authorizing of this variance will not be of substantial detriment to adjacent property and will not materially impair the purposes of the ordi- nance or the public interest. Subject to the conditions outlined by staff, no detrimental effect would be created. d. That the granting of a variance will not be contrary to the objective of the General Plan. This development will be in conformance with the General Plan. Chairman Stewart advised the applicant that this matter could be appealed to the City Council within 10 days if desired. PUBLIC HEARING (Cont.): VARIANCE - 212 K Street - Create 3 lots with no street frontage - Bonita Band, Ltd. Director of Planning Warren remarked that this hearing had been continued from the March 6 meeting at the request of the applicant to discuss further the problem of the location of the drainage easement at the rear of the property. He indicated on a plat where Engineering Division has determined the alignment and size of this drainage easement. The net area of the rear portion of the property, excluding the driveway access and drainage easement is approximately 20,000 sq. ft., and because of the difference in elevation near the south end, additional property would be utilized in side slopes. Three lots in this portion would not contain the minimum required area of 7,000 sq. ft. for each lot. The applicant has indicated his intention to construct 2-bedroom dwellings, which would fit relatively well on 6500 sq. ft. lots. However, there would be no control over future buyers who desired to convert these into three or four-bedroom dwellings. Because of the approximately 12 ft. difference in elevation between the farthest lot in the southerly portion and the sewer main in K Street, there would be no natural sewage flow without some filling in this rear lot. The Engineering Division has stated it would be possible to use a septic system as an alternative to natural sewage flow. Based upon these problems, and to eliminate congestion and difficulties of future expansion, staff recommends that the development be limited to total of three lots. -4- 3/27/72 Chairman Stewart declared the public hearing reopened for additional testimony. Pat Hart of Hart and Sons, 33 Third Avenue, the builder for Bonita Band, Ltd., questioned the need for a 25 ft. right-of-way for a driveway instead of 20 ft. He remarked that older people like to live in 2-bedroom units on smaller lots and there is a definite need for such dwellings in this area. These create a lesser problem of density and congestion. George Hart, 804 Second Avenue, reiterated his objection to eliminating all the open area, and his suggestion of access from another street rather than an easement. He also mentioned his concern for the additional noise and traffic generated along the easement and past the existing dwelling at 208 K Street. Walton Guthrie, 212 K Street, remarked that the traffic is not as bad on K Street as some other streets and that he believed lots looked better with dwellings on them as opposed to being vacant. As no one else wished to speak the public hearing was closed. MSUC (Chandler-Macevicz) Approval of a variance for a reduction of the RESOLUTION PCV-72-7 required lot frontage from 60 ft. to 0 and division of this property into a maximum of three lots for the total area subject to the following conditions: 1. Development of the property shall be limited to two additional lots, or a total of three lots for the entire site. 2. A parcel map shall be required for division of the property; the appli- cant shall demonstrate that all dwelling units can connect to the City sewer system or a septic system approved by the Division of Engineering and Building Department. 3. A grading plan shall be submitted for staff approval. 4. Site plan and architectural review shall be required for all lots and structures prior to obtaining building permits. 5. A 5 ft. wide landscaped buffer strip shall be located between the 6 ft. high fence or wall and the driveway easement. a. The landscaped area shall be protected from the driveway by means of a 6-inch curb. 6. A deed restriction prohibiting garage conversions and establishing liability for maintenance of the landscaped buffer strip shall be submitted for staff approval. 7. A landscaping and irrigation plan covering all front yards and the 5 ft. buffer strip shall be submitted for staff approval. 8. All utility service shall be underground. 9. The driveway easement and turn-around shall be located parallel to the easterly property line. -5- 3/27/72 a. The driveway shall be a minimum of 20 feet wide and paved according to City standards for residential alleys. b. A T-type turn-around or 50' diameter "bulb" shall be provided at the end of the driveway easement. 10. Two off-street parking stalls per unit shall be required in addition to the required two-car garages. ll. A 6 ft. high solid wall or fence shall be erected parallel to the drive- way easement along the eastern property line. 12. A low-level lighting system with a minimum illumination of 5 foot- candles shall be submitted for stall approval. 13. A drainage easement at the rear property line shall be required, the location and alignment to be determined by the Engineering Division. 14. A landscape and irrigation plan for any slopes created by grading shall be submitted for staff approval. All slopes exceeding l0 feet in height shall include, in addition to ground cover, a tree or shrub (1 gal. mini- mum) per 100 sq. ft. of slope area. Findings: a. That a hardship peculiar to the property and not created by any act of the owner exists. The unusual configuration of this lot would preclude the development of the property to its full potential if the provisions of the Zoning Ordi- nance were strictly applied. b. That this variance is necessary for the preservation and enjoyment of sub- stantial property rights possessed by other properties in the same zone and in the vicinity of the subject property. This variance is necessary to permit the creation of additional lots on this property which, along with all the adjacent properties, is zoned for lots of 7,000 sq. ft. c. That the authorizing of this variance will not be of substantial detriment to adjacent property and will not materially impair the purposes of the ordi- nance or the public interest. The proposed development will be comparable to existing residences in the area and v~ill not impair the purposes of the ordinance or the public interest. d. That the granting of a variance will not be contrary to the objectives of the General Plan. The proposed development is in conformance with the objectives of the General Plan for this area which is designated for medium density residential uses. -6- 3/27/72 The Chairman advised the applicant that this matter could be appealed to the City Council within 10 days if desired. PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING - 589-595 Vance Street - R-2 to C-T - Commission initiated Associate Planner Lee indicated both nonconforming lots on a plat and reminded the Commission that a request for expansion of nonconforming use for the Key Shop located at 595 Vance had been before them several meetings ago, at which time the Commission had indicated their desire for a future hearing to consider rezoning these two parcels. This property was rezoned from C-T to R-2 in April, 1971 as part of Phase III of the city-wide rezoning, the basic intent being to prevent expansion of commercial zoning and land use along these local residential streets. To rezone this property to C-T would encourage some of the heavier commercial uses to locate on what is substantially a low traffic volume residential street. All along this section of Broadway all the com- mercial uses in the C-T zone are oriented toward Broadway. Due to existing uses on subject property and the orientation of adjacent uses, it is staff's opinion that redevelopment with a residential use is impractical. To rezone the property to C-T-P without a precise plan would not be good zoning practice. Therefore, to allow only uses that would be appropriate and compatible with the adjacent residential uses, staff recommends rezoning of the property to C-O and a change in the front yard setback from 0 to 10 feet. This being the time and place as advertised, the public hearing was opened, and as no one wished to speak, the public hearing was declared closed. MSUC (Adams-Rudolph) Recommend to the City Council the change of zone from RESOLUTION PCZ-72-F R-2 to C-O and a change in the front yard setback from 0 to 10 feet for property at 589-595 Vance Street. Findings of fact are as follows: a. The rezoning of this property to C-O will insure that the redevelopment of this property will be compatible wi th the adjacent residential uses and ~ill prevent the encroachment of retail commercial uses on this residential street in a residential area. b. The General Plan designates this area as a transition area between the thoroughfare commercial use along Broadway and the residential use to the east. The thoroughfare commercial zone allows a wide range of commercial uses ranging from offices to body shops. To restrict this area to one type of use allowed in the zone would be in substantial conformance with the General Plan. -7- 3/27/72 PUBLIC HEARING: A. PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT - Windsor Views - Tele§raph Canyon Road - Windsor Park Enterprises~ Inc. B. SUBDIVISION - Windsor Views - Request for approval of tentative map - Windsor Park Enterpri.ses~ Inc. Director of Planning Warren pointed out the area on Telegraph Canyon Road, almost one mile east of the Halecrest Area, where the applicant is proposing a Planned Unit Development on approximately 18 acres and has submitted a tentative subdivision map. He stated the staff is recommending that it be denied at this time, with the basic feeling that it is premature. At the time the property was annexed in June, 1970 Mr. Horton was informed that staff would have reservations about recommending development on such steep slopes until more detailed planning had been done on the whole undeveloped area to the east of the City. Subsequently, 3100 acres were annexed to the City by Otay Land Co., who proposed the E1 Rancho del Rey Planned Unit Develop- ment and requested P-C zoning. However, approval of the P-C zone was subject to a resolution outlining numerous conditions which Otay Land Co. was in- structed to complete and resubmit to the City. Since that time the City Council has asked that the Planning staff and Planning Commission reanalyze the Otay Land Company development plan and report back to the Council in July of this year with a recommendation which would involve the proposed densities, together with grading concepts, circulation system, location of public facil- ities, etc. Until that time, and possibly for some time after, staff is of the opinion any development in this area is premature. Associate Planner Lee showed an overlay of the property in question as it relates to the Otay Land Co. development; because of the key location of this property, together with other outside ownerships not involving Otay land Co., within the overall planning area lying north of Telegraph Canyon, it is essential that development plans be coordinated with all those involved. Mr. Lee stated a letter has been received from the Gersten Company indicating some concern with this development regarding the proposed location of "J" Street, the proposed alignment of Telegraph Canyon Road, proposed future streets and access roads, sewer alignment, slopes and grading, and suggesting a land swap at the southeast corner of the property. Mr. Lee commented that the advisability of relocating "J" Street is under consideration in conjunction with the over all analysis of E1 Rancho del Rey. The City Council has authorized the Engineering Division and Planning Depart- ment to proceed with a study of Telegraph Canyon Road from 1-805 to South- western College to determine the best alignment from both an engineering and aesthetic standpoint. It must be designed for an ultimate capacity of six lanes of traffic together with bike path and drainage system. It would appear that a presentation of a proposal is from one to two months away. The staffs have been discussing both a lined and an unlined drainage channel because of the anticipated velocity of water going through it. Specific proposals would have to be decided by the City Council for the entire area before development could proceed. -8- 3/27/72 The staff is concerned about the number of access roads on Telegraph Canyon Road, and encourages the use of a frontage road system. The nearest utilities service is nearly one mile to the west and underground- ing of lines is required by the Public Utilities Commission. Unless the new improvement plans for Telegraph Canyon Road were ready when construction is proposed, it would be necessary to install temporary overhead lines. This would have to be submitted for City Council consideration. It is imperative to develop an over all grading plan for the entire area. Both the staff and the developers of Windsor Views have contacted Otay Land Co. concerning their plans for the adjacent area. No answers have been forthcoming and it appears it will be the City's responsibility to prepare a plan. The school district and the Fire Department have indicated a need for vehicular and pedestrian access to the north, which would have to be provided at a later date. The exact location of the schools are still in doubt. A future fire station will be constructed in this general area, but the present station serving the area has a run of approximately three miles to the access road, which means high insurance rates for any one moving in. This being the time and place, as advertised, the public hearing was opened. Glenn Bryant, 465 F Street, read a prepared statement for the applicant who was unable to be at the meeting. He expressed disappointment at the recom- mendation for denial by the staff, stating that sewer, fire protection and other utilities are available along Telegraph Canyon Road, the surrounding area has been annexed to Chula Vista, and he has VA and FHA commitments. He was surprised that consideration should be given to locating "J" Street that far south and felt that it should cross E1 Rancho del Rey. He mentioned that usable open space has been planned, access to the north is not wanted as privacy is desired in a P.U.D., access is available for the Fire Department and any prospective buyer will be made aware of fire insurance rates. He believes the proposed grading to be very carefully planned to conform to the natural topography, and is willing to increase the floor area of the dwelling units to 1000 sq. ft. A letter has been written to the High School District agreeing to pay fees on a per pupil basis when the final map is submitted for approval. Chairman Stewart commented on the fine display of the scale model of the Planned Unit Development and the topographic contour models showing existing terrain and proposed grading, which had been provided by Windsor Enterprises. Richard Grabhorn of Toups Engineering, 5252 Balboa Avenue, San Diego, gave a brief comparison of this project with Windsor Heights, a previous development of Windsor Enterprises which has been well received. He pointed out the main feature of this new project is that 90% of the dwellings will have views. The grading plan was developed with this in mind. There will be a central recreation area with walkways leading to it. A camper and boat storage area has been provided. All streets within this development are private; they wilt not be maintained by the City. -9- 3/27/72 He said also the natural topography of the site is difficult and in develop- ing the layout they had tried to make the best possible design, with all slopes curvelinear, and to foresee any major problem that may develop. They are willing to work out problems concerning the realignment of Telegraph Canyon Road with the Engineering Division. They do not propose to relocate the aque- duct, and a representative of Wilsey & Ham, with whom they discussed the matter at the request of Otay Land Co., indicated no intention of relocating the aqueduct. He believes the typical lot would average 2904 sq. ft. of usable open space rather than the 2400 sq. ft. suggested by the staff. Referring to the suggested land swap by Gersten, he remarked they would be willing to give the land to Gersten or to the City to facilitate future street improvements at this location. Also, they have no objection to extending the sewer to their property line. Mr. Grabhorn submitted a copy of a letter to Toups Engineering from Inter-City Soils, Inc. expressing the opinion that 1-1/2 to 1 cut slopes, shown on the tentative map and site plan, will be stable according to their preliminary analysis. With reference to the Gersten objection on grading adjacent to the Otay Land Co. property, Mr. Grabhorn submitted a letter from Toups Engineering to the Otay Land Company enclosing a copy of a letter of permission for offsite grading to be endorsed by Otay Land Company. Consent was sought for construc- of a fill slope at the westerly boundary of the proposed subdivision and construction of a cut slope at the northerly and north portion of the westerly boundary to achieve grade of approximately elevation 380 at northerly boundary. This would eliminate problem of future access to the north, and they have no objection to providing a by-pass. Members Rice and Macevicz questioned him regarding further consideration of extending a street through at the corner or providing foot traffic access to the high school, to which Mr. Grabhorn replied there was no objection. Member Whitten queried whether the drainage channel was to be open or closed and Mr. Grabhorn said his discussion with Engineering indicated an open channel. Mr. Grabhorn expressed willingness to work at anything necessary to get the project "off the ground." Alfred Kettering, 1144 Buenos, San Diego, General Manager and Landscape Architect of Tri-City Landscape Co., commented on the nature of the soil and the plans for planting two varieties of iceplants from root stock on the slopes. James Weldon, 642 Sheffield Court, representative of Windsor Heights Home- owners Association, stated that a similar layout for the Windsor Heights project has been very well accepted. -10- 3/27/72 Robert Hummel, 649 Sheffield Court, member of Windsor Heights Homeowners Association, remarked about the similarity of this new project with the existing one and feels that it is good for the City and good for business. Kathryn Moore, 1134 Tobias Drive, representing South Bay Citizens Planning Committee, said it is an excellent project, however it is definitely pre- mature. San Diego County Comprehensive Planning Organization believes there is a need for lower cost homes and the economy cannot support nothing but subdivisions like this. The County is still making a determination as to whether Telegraph Canyon Road is to be a scenic highway. She believes all of these things should be considered before starting development in the area. Planning Director Warren observed that the staff is disturbed that Mr. Horton has chosen to take personally their recommendations. Mr. Horton wishes to develop the land he bought and feels frustrated, as do many other developers, at being challenged upon what in the past was traditional. The staff has been advising him of the problems encountered in this area. Based on con- versations with Mr. Horton, he clearly understands staff's reasons for saying this development is premature -- he simply does not accept them. Unreasonable grading may be occurring on the Gersten property and has occurred east of the Southwestern College Estates area and may result in problems. Gersten does not write the Planning Department reports, but the major adjacent land owner surrounding subject site cannot be ignored. Assistant Director of Public Works Robens stated that the Division of Engineer- ing is recommending denial at this time. They are working on the final align- ment for Telegraph Canyon Road and a decision is not anticipated for about two months. Twenty foot per second velocities are erosive velocities for an un- lined drainage channel. It is necessary to consider the channel throughout its entire length, and it is hoped to have some type of proposal for its construction in a couple of months. Members of the Commission questioned Mr. Robens and Mr. Grabhorn regarding an evident misunderstanding of the Division of Engineering recommendations. As no one else wished to speak, the public hearing was declared closed. In discussion the Commission concurred that development would be premature because the area is under study by direction of the City Council and it would be bad planning practice to approve this development at least until the study is completed. Ex-officio member Miller commented that from an environmental standpoint this development is not necessary, good or desirable, based on the best that could be done with the land. MSUC (Adams-Rudolph) Denial of Planned Unit Development as being premature based on the Council's request that this area be studied and because of the many undetermined factors as stated by the staff. -ll- 3/27/72 MSUC (Rudolph-Rice) Denial of tentative subdivision map for same reasons as Planned Unit Development. Chairman Stewart advised the applicant of his right of appeal to the City Council. The Chairman declared a five minute recess from 9:20 to 9:25. Request for approval of nonconformin9 use in R-3 zone - 694 "I" Street - Douglas Hunt Associate Planner Lee pointed out on a plat the area where applicant is re- questing permission to lease his building and property to be used as a wholesale furniture storage and outlet business, replacing a former machine shop which was also nonconforming. The Zoning Ordinance would require the removal of the nonconforming use within a ten year period from date of noti- fication by the Planning Commission. It seems reasonable to allow the re- quested use in that building for ten years and staff recommends approval subject to the conditions outlined. Douglas Hunt, 1481 Third Avenue, owner of the property, described the proposed business operation, mentioned the hours of business and that two vehicles will be parked inside the existing fenced yard at night. Member Chandler asked if he intended to improve the appearance of the fence on the northwest corner and Mr. Hunt agreed he would take care of it. MSUC (Macevicz-Chandler) Approval of request for nonconforming use at 694 "I" Street subject to the following conditions: 1. The hours of operation shall be limited to between 9:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. 2. All loading and unloading shall be restricted to the fenced yard on the west side of the building. 3. All vehicles used by the business shall be parked in the fenced yard on the west during the hours the business is closed. 4. The existing wall sign facing "I" Street shall be painted out. Any re- quests for signs shall be subject to staff approval. 5. The existing fence shall be brought up to reasonable maintenance standards. Request for architectural approval of front elevation and of si~n standard ~esi~n for Checker Auto Parts~ 236 Broadway Director of Planning Warren pointed out the black and white checker pattern on renderings of two pylons on the front elevation of a store now under con- struction at 236 Broadway and on the post cover for a freestanding pole sign for which the applicant is requesting approval. -12- 3/27/72 Tile staff is of the opinion that the request does not meet the objective of promoting orderly and harmonious development of the City and surrounding area and recommends that the request be denied and a monochrome color scheme be utilized on the pylons and sign post cover. Joel Sherry, QRS Corporation, stated it ~as his understanding that a request for approval of a sign was all that had been requested; he did not believe architectural approval of the pylons had been applied for. The architectural plans, including call-out on the checker pattern for the pylons had been approved by the Building Department and a building permit issued. Director of Planning Warren said he was unaware that building plans for the pylons had been approved, but he would be happy to look into it and continue the matter to the next meeting. Mr. Sherry requested that a ruling be made at this meeting. After sm~e discussion by members of the Commission, Assistant City Attorney Blick and Planning Director Warren it was agreed that if any plans were approved which were in conflict with the ordinance, the ordinance should take precedence; that if on first review of the plans, the proposed black and white color scheme was missed by staff, directive for change would not now be unreasonable, since construction and painting were not complete. Gene Russell, Los Angeles, representing Checker Auto Parts, inquired if there is an ordinance which limits a trademark or what can be put on the building. Mr. Warren informed him it would not be brought before the Commission if there were not such an ordinance regulating sign and building design. Both Mr. Sherry and Mr. Russell referred to existing signs along Broadway, pointing out that the checker is their trademark and felt they should be allowed to use it. Member Rice assured them there are at present a great number of nonconforming signs in the City which are in the process of undergoing abatement. After further discussion the Commission concurred that the proposed color scheme would be incompatible with existing adjacent buildings and would be an impediment to any coordinated architectural plan for the area and directed the staff to work with the applicant in an attempt to utilize the trademark in their signs. MSUC (Rice-Whitten) Request for approval of black and white checker pattern on two pylons on front elevation of building and on the sign post be denied. Director's ReR~rt Planning Director Warren mentioned receiving from Dr. Glenn, Chairman of the Environmental Control Commission, a notice of an Environmental Protection Agency hearing to be held in Los Angeles, April 28 and 29. The Co~nmissioners determined they would be unable to attend. -13- 3/27/72 Commi ss i on Commen ts Member Macevicz remarked that a letter of appreciation should be extended to the people who are doing the tree trimming in the community. Mr. Warren said the work was being done by the Streets Division of the Public Works Department, and he would be happy to pass his remarks along. Member Rudolph mentioned a letter from the Environmental Control Commission regarding the film "Multiply and Subdue the Earth" which was shown in the Council Chamber to both Commission earlier in the month. They offered to answer questions which they hoped might generate discussion. She indicated she would like to know more about the relationship of ecology to planning and asked if a workshop might be scheduled with the Council. Mr. Warren observed that in theory he is all for it, but there seems to be increasing obstacles to getting all groups together; however, he would be happy to set it as a special item on a future workshop agenda and invite members of the Council to attend. Chairma~ Stewart commented that according to ordinance the Planning Commission is supposed to update the General Plan periodically and work should commence in the near future. ~Adjournment MSUC (Rice-Whitten) The meeting be adjourned at 10:20 p.m. Respectfully submitted, [eoda Scholl Acting Secretary