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MI~S OF A WORKSHOP OF THE
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA
Proposed Local Coastal Program Amendment and
Potential Alternatives
Thursday, February 28, 1991 Council Chambers
4:10 p.m. Public Services Buildinq
1. ROLL CALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Pro Tempore Moore; Members
Malcolm, Rindone and Nader
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Executive Director Goss; Community
Development Director Salomone; Assistant
City Attorney Fritsch
2. STATUS OF CHULA VISTA INVESTORS, PROPOSAL
A. Final Environmental Impact Report
Community Development Director Salomone reported that the Chula
Vista Investors' project in the mid-bayfront is comprised of 3.9
million square feet of development. This includes 1400 units of
residential development comprised in buildings that range from 3
to 17 stories high. There are four hotels in the visitor-serving
commercial element and these are in buildings comprised of
heights from 5 to 22 stories. There is also approximately
150,000 square feet of commercial retail development, 560,000
square feet of office professional development, 23+ acres of
public park area, and 9,932 parking spaces.
Mr. Salomone further reported that the original Draft
Environmental Impact Report (EIR) for this project received
extensive comments as a result of its first public issue and
review period. Those comments have been responded to and the
Draft EIR will be recirculated on March 14. There will be a 45
day public review of that document and the Planning Commission
will hold a public hearing on May 8. A response to comments
received during the review period will be prepared and it is
intended to bring this before the Planning Commission in mid- to
late June. The EIR would then come before the City Council the
end of June or first part of July. Mr. Salomone added that it
was legally required to reissue the EIR because of the extensive
nature of this project.
B. Economic Feasibility Study
Mr. Salomone introduced Mr. Larry Williams representing the firm
of Williams-Kuebelbeck & Associates, Inc. This firm was hired by
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the city to do an economic feasibility analysis of the Chula
Vista Investors' proposed project.
Mr. Williams summarized a report that was submitted to City staff
in January. The tasks that his firm was charged with included:
(1) looking at the financial feasibility of the proposed project;
(2) estimating the development's fiscal impact on both the City
and the Redevelopment Agency; and (3) determining the equity of
Agency financial participation. Mr. Williams further stated that
part of his firm's responsibility was to look at the developer's
proposal and then do an analysis of two reduced-density versions.
Mr. Williams stated his firm determined that this project has
problems in so far as its financial feasibility. The costs for
some of the amenities such as the lagoon, the lake, the park,
etc. are quite high. Some of these costs are non-revenue
producing; therefore, the heavy expenditures for the amenity
package has a tendency to draw down the rate-of-return and
negatively affect the financial feasibility. Secondly, one of
the key components of the project's development in terms of
buildings are hotels. The hotel market for the "destination
resort" type of hotels is not here at this time. It is their
opinion that the cost of developing the hotels is in excess of
the rates that could be commanded. His firm determined that
there is a modest drag on the hotels from a financial feasibility
or yield point of view. This means the developer should re-look
at his hotels, the phasing of his hotels, the costs, and also re-
look at the revenue that he anticipates from the hotels. The two
major factors of the heavy non-revenue producing costs and the
hotels have a tendency to drag the project down. It is the
recommendation of Williams-Kuebelbeck that these issues be looked
at in further planning of the project.
Responding to questions, Mr. Williams stated in their preparation
of the report they tried to chart the developer's course of
action. They looked at the project in a reasonable approach and
in the same manner they would handle it for a private investor.
There are certain aspects of this project with regard to the
sensitivity of financial feasibility that in all probability
could be rectified by some changes.
Mr. Gary Londont The London Group, financial consultants
representing Chula Vista Investors, commented that he believes
the study is a proper analysis. Williams-Kuebelbeck demonstrated
that there are, at this moment, some issues that have been
identified that need to be worked out. The London Group shared
there concerns with Williams-Kuebelbeck with respect to
overstatement of costs and understatement of revenues. The study
assumed no leverage, assumed market interest rates (not public
bond rates), and assumed no City participation. These are all
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matters that need to be addressed which would dramatically change
the economic feasibility.
Member Malcolm asked Mr. Bill Barkett of Chula Vista Investors if
it is his intent to ask the City for financial assistance with
this project. Mr. Barkett responded that Chula Vista Investors
is hopeful that the City will issue bonds.
Mr. Paul Peterson, Attorney representing Chula Vista Investors,
commented they have met with the City Manager's staff on several
occasions and have been developing a list of the kinds of on- and
off-site improvements that will be required. Several discussions
on methods of financing the infrastructure that is required for
this project have been held. There are some items of
infrastructure that could be shared by others who would benefit
from them. Now that the Williams-Kuebelbeck report is completed,
it is anticipated that further meetings will be held with City
staff to determine who will pay for what. Chula Vista Investors
is hopeful that a Mello-Roos Bond issue will be considered to
provide for a lot of the general infrastructure that is required.
They are also looking at the possibility of a parking authority
to be created to help provide parking.
Chairman Pro Tempore Moore commented that he cannot see the City
finances being involved in any way. He can see the Redevelopment
Agency involved with assistance in bonding.
3o DISCUSSION BY AGENCY MEMBERS ON THE PROPOSED LOCAL COASTAL
PROGRAM AMENDMENT AND POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES FOR THE FUTURE
OF THE BAYFRONT
A. Subcommittee Presentation - Members Nader and Rindone
Member Nader stated that he and Member Rindone were designated as
a subcommittee to monitor the Bayfront project and to work with
the developer and staff on an ongoing basis. He commented he
believes that it has been evident since the public hearing held
on this project one and one-half years ago, and based on input
Agency Members have received from the public since then, that the
public is not supportive of the project as proposed. This has
raised concerns for the subcommittee. He further commented that
Bayfront development has been stalled for over 20 years. The
City needs a desirable development to enhance City revenues and
to provide the kind of public amenities and benefits that Chula
Vista residents have been wanting to see come out of the Bayfront
development process. At the same time, he stated it is his
opinion that if a project cannot be devised that meets
environmental concerns and is acceptable to the public in terms
of being compatible with the community character, that for the
foreseeable future, as in the last 20 years, there will continue
to be no project at all.
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Member Nader reported the Subcommittee met recently with the
developer and staff to discuss current issues, public reaction,
and to discuss the recent proposal that a cultural arts facility
be included in the plan. The developer stated at the meeting
that it is his desire to move ahead with the project as proposed
in terms of processing the Environmental Impact Report, rather
than risking some modifications to the project at this point,
which they were concerned might result in further need for new
environmental review and further delays. Member Nader stated it
was indicated to the developer at that meeting that there was the
risk that after receiving the Final EIR, after the Planning
Commission hearing, and after further public input, the Council
may determine that the project is not acceptable as proposed and
would require further modification 'which could trigger the need
for further environmental review. It was also pointed out that
the Council would have the option of certifying the EIR and
denying the requested Local Coastal Plan Amendment on other
grounds if they do not believe it is in the City's interests or
is compatible with the Council's vision of the Bayfront.
Member Nader further reported that a request made by the
subcommittee was that between now and the time that the EIR is
brought forward staff is to do further work to advise the Agency
of what kind of parameters there are within the existing EIR for
potential modification to the plan. This is to include what
range of potential development the EIR already adequately covers
and how far it would be possible to go without triggering further
delays.
Member Nader added that the purpose for calling this workshop was
to take public input in advance of the EIR hearings to give the
developer and the Agency an opportunity to hear public reaction
to the development of the plan thus far.
Member Rindone commented that through the history of developing a
plan for the Bayfront, a lacking component has been an
opportunity to have input on behalf of the policymakers at the
front end of the proposal. Member Rindone further commented he
would like to see a great deal of community support for the
project. He would like to openly discuss ideas and concepts so
that the situation could be turned into a win-win situation,
where there would become a great deal of interest on the part of
the community for the proposal. The Subcommittee suggested to
Mr. Barkett and his team the concept of a major theme for the
proposal of a cultural arts center. This could include a
cultural arts theater, banquet, convention facilities, etc. It
would enhance the concept of the lagoon, would contribute
significantly to the concept of a destination resort, and also
would include an activity that would be encouraging to Chula
Vista residents. An idea of a cultural arts center is an idea
that more Chula Vista residents have been supportive of than the
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previous concepts and suggestions. He stated that the City fully
recognizes that the developer is the owner of the land and that
the project is his project. However, the plan requires Council
approval, and the plan requires an amendment to the Local Coastal
Plan which must receive Council approval. While there is a
desire to see a plan advance, he believes there is even a greater
desire that it be the right plan, the plan that Chula Vista
residents can embrace and support.
Member Rindone further reported that the reason the cultural arts
theme seems to have appeal is the possibility of the tie-in with
the San Diego Convention Center. He added that although the
suggestion of a cultural arts theme and center could be an
enhancement, it is not suggested that it is the only suggestion
or alternative. The Council is looking for a theme that (1)
appeals to Chula Vista residents in which they can participate,
and (2) that is financially beneficial to the City.
Mr. Peterson commented that there is a conference center included
in the proposed plan. They were interested in the comments of
the subcommittee concerning a cultural arts center at their
meeting, and they are already in the process of studying how that
might work. He stated the Agency should not take the fact that
they do not want to currently change the processing of the paper
work and change the time schedule as meaning that they are not
receptive to the comments being made. They think there is merit
to the suggestion made. They are currently studying the idea and
are hopeful that it can be expanded upon and developed. If it is
a good idea that is desired by the public and is economically
feasible, it is possible that it could be put into the process
without having to go back and start a new 6 month re-circulation
process.
Chairman Pro Tempore Moore commented regarding the history of the
Bayfront noting that in recent years there was a change in
ownership in the property; other changes occurred in that the D
Street Fill and Gunpowder Point were made part of the Fish and
Wildlife Refuge, leaving the mid-bayfront. The present ownership
is now planning their own project, where the City planned it for
a number of years. This is a major development and expensive as
to infrastructure. It is important to remember to work within
the established thresholds as they pertain to traffic, police,
fire, schools, water, open space, parks, environmental, police,
etc. Mr. Moore personally likes the major components of the
proposed project, in particular the idea of the lagoon. In order
to support the underground parking, the lagoon and other
amenities, there needs to be some off-set and some degree of
density. At this point, he is not satisfied that Agency staff or
the consultants have sufficient data for the policymakers to make
final decisions.
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Carl Worthington of Jerde Partnership, the architectural firm
representing Chula Vista Investors, gave a presentation of the
proposed project. He pointed out that over the last six months,
in response to workshops and comments received, significant
changes have been made to the project. The issue of public
access to the bay and the amount of parkland along the Bay was
addressed by the deletion of one of the residential areas that
was initially planned at the edge of the bay. This increased the
amount of land for park area by approximately 5 acres. The issue
of the height of buildings has been addressed by reducing heights
of buildings; the northern most tower has been reduced from 15 to
9 floors, the middle tower was reduced from 15 to 13 floors, the
luxury hotel was reduced from 8 to 5 floors, the resort hotel was
reduced from 26 to 17 floors, and the atrium hotel was reduced
from 26 to 22 floors. As a byproduct of this reduction in
height, it reduced the density of the project. The hotel rooms
were reduced from approximately 2,000 to 1,800 units and the
residential count was reduced from 1,550 to 1,400 units. Mr.
Worthington further pointed out that the issue of traffic
generation was addressed in that trip generation is also reduced
by the above-referenced reductions by 2700 average daily trips.
Responding to questions of Member Malcolm, Mr. Worthington stated
that because this project is located on the west side of the
freeway it is basically a separated site, not adjacent to other
neighborhoods. Therefore, it is important to develop the proper
balance of services in that district. The residential aspect of
the project is a very important element of the project.
Member Nader stated he had another commitment and that it was
necessary for him to leave the meeting at this time. He asked
staff to set up a video of the portion of the meeting he will
miss in the Council office. (He left the meeting at 6:00 p.m.)
4. PUBLIC INPUT
A. Opportunity for members of the public to present their
"vision" of the future of the Bay front to Agency
Members
Mr. Peter Watry, 81 Second Avenue, Chula Vista 91910,
representing Crossroads, commented that the bayfront is a unique
and priceless asset that should be preserved, protected and
developed for the benefit of the entire community, not just the
developer. Mr. Watry read a list of beliefs and recommendations
of Crossroads and provided a copy to the Clerk for the record. In
addition, Mr. Watry stated that one item that Crossroads
disagrees most with is the proposed extensive residential use.
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Ms. Dency Souvall, 698 Gilbert Place, Chula Vista, member of the
Cultural Arts Commission, spoke in favor of the idea of a
cultural arts center.
Ms. Jackie McQuade, 339 East J Street, Chula Vista, spoke in
opposition to the proposed Chula Vista Investors' project. The
buildings are far too tall and the density is far too great. She
believes the City should follow the 40-foot height limit on the
Bayfront and that a view ordinance is needed. Further, with the
existing water shortage it is most likely that a desalinization
plant will be needed on the Bayfront. She further recommended
that the Local Coastal Plan not be amended.
5. CLOSING DISCUSSION BY AGENCY MEMBERS
Member Malcolm commented that opening up the view corridors and
amending the Local Coastal Plan is an excellent first approach.
Every Coastal Plan that is approved by the Coastal Commission
requires pathways on the waterfront so the public can enjoy the
waterfront. He would like the waterfront to be part of the City,
where people can go down and enjoy it. It is important to have a
balance of what is offered on the Bayfront. Member Malcolm
further commented that he has never said that he supporte~ this
plan in total as it is presented today. It needs some work;
however, he is impressed with the creative ideas of the Jerde
Partnership. Somewhere in between what is proposed by Mr.
Barkett and the "no project at all" alternative, is where he
would like to see the Redevelopment Agency go. He believes it is
important that the Agency make a decision; he would hope that it
is possible to make a decision in 1991. Right now, the
waterfront is not used; people do not have access to it; there is
a need to create a place for youth to go to play and enjoy and
also to be able to have the revenues to provide the services
needed.
Member Malcolm added that since the last time he saw the proposed
project, the changes have moved in the right direction. He hopes
they will consider building into the project, in the front end, a
cultural arts center and theater.
Member Moore commented that he visualizes a development similar
to what is proposed. He pointed out that the tax base is
important to provide services. He anticipates that the State
will lower the income of the City by $3 to $5 Million in the next
year. He believes the project has some superior features and
that it is getting closer to what is needed. He believes it is
time to move forward. He is hopeful the developer, subcommittee,
staff and consultant can come forward with a plan to broaden and
change the proposal without sacrificing another 2 to 3 years
planning status.
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Member Rindone commented he believes there is very strong
interest in development on the Bayfront. It needs to be a
project that appeals to residents of Chula Vista. He believes
there is a genuine interest for a cultural arts center. There is
an interest, not only from a fiscal standpoint, but from a desire
to be able to create a "crown jewel" for Chula Vista. He would
want to ensure that the existing standards are not reduced with
regard to traffic generation. The Council/AGency will be very
sensitive to all of the environmental concerns. The idea of view
corridors is one which he concurs with.
Member Rindone further commented that he hopes that two things
happen as a result of this meeting: (1) that the Agency would
get a response from the developer that they are interested in
meeting with the subcommittee to continue the dialogue; and (2)
that the City/Agency continue to get input from the community to
help the Agency focus on the vision for the Bayfront; to examine
whether or not the cultural arts theme is an idea that would
provide the catalyst to create an increased interest in the
Bayfront to be able to have the type of project that Chula Vista
can be proud of, and financially help with the services that are
essential.
Member Rindone further stated he supports the idea of a cultural
arts center with a proper balance, with concern and sensitivity
to the environment which will not be sacrificed.
Mr. Peterson commented that they welcome the opportunity to work
with the subcommittee and they are ready to continue the
dialogue.
ADJOURNMENT at 6:25 p.m. to Tuesday, March 5, 1991.
Chris Salomone
Community Development Director
(Min7)